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  1. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha sled release

    Except for some very specific uses like at a ski resort or for certain commercial uses EV sleds are completely impractical. You thought a 4 stroke was heavy? Wait until you load up enough battery to go any decent distance. If the government mandates EV like they are eventually going to do for...
  2. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha sled release

    Cat is now and has always been a sled manufacturer that offers a 4 stroke option. They did with Suzuki before the Yamaha partnership. They are not going 2 stroke only when both Ski-doo and Polaris now have 4 stroke options. The Yamaha 4 stroke is something they have been proud to offer their...
  3. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha sled release

    Best winter in the Black Hills we've had in years and years. I just got in from an awesome ride today. I even managed to get my Viper buried. lol
  4. yamajammer76

    2025 Yamaha sled release

    Here are the future possibilities. I am not including a new Japanese built snowmobile because with everything based in North America and a tiny budget to the snow division that’s 100% not happening. 1) Yamaha stays on the Procross until Cat no longer wants to build it exclusively for 4 stroke...
  5. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    EPS on these sleds was developed by Cat. I'm not sure about the ski. Could have been a contracted development situation with an accessory like a ski. I'm sure they still need one product specialist on staff to work through technical issues and possible recalls with their supplier. The Yamaha...
  6. yamajammer76

    Food for thought/ 2023&2024 yamacat

    That won't happen. If Yamaha keeps offering sleds in the future they will be built by Cat. The other 2 don't need or want to be contract builders. I don't even know if Textron really wants to be either, but they inherited the contract. It was the independent and very small Arctic Cat, Inc. that...
  7. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    If they offered that in a 146" 2.0" track, 40" mountain stance, I'd be ordering it too, but nope. AC didn't want to spend the cash on putting EPS on it and Cat only wanted to offer a ZR 7000 so that's all Yamaha gets. A repainted ZR 7000. It seems to me outside of very limited Sidewinder...
  8. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    I am planning to eventually move to an AC Catalyst once more engines are available. I guess I'm just sad to leave the Yamaha engine, but that's how it goes. It's just sad to see them closing down the snowmobile division in slow motion.
  9. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    Are they even trying anymore? What size of tires should I get? Seriously? :D
  10. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    I have been positive for a long time even after the Cat agreement in 2014. I own a Viper and have been a satisfied customer, but I don't see what is positive about the current situation here. I am not asking for new Japanese built sleds. That ship has sailed and it's never coming back. All I...
  11. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    I currently own a 2016 Viper MTX 141" 2.25" with a 40" mountain front. It's basically a 50-50 crossover model. It's a great sled for where I ride. I'll keep it going, but at some point I'll have to replace. They no longer offer any crossovers in the 130 HP class. The Viper is just a trail sled...
  12. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    Double post on accident. If we actually see a full line for 2025 including some variations of a 130 HP model along with a Sidewinder in a modified Catalyst platform I'll eat my words, but I just don't see any of that happening. If there is a 2025 it'll be more BNG and probably even less models...
  13. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    Yamaha offers Sidewinders and one trail Viper. That's it. Not everyone wants a 200+ HP $20k+ sled. Plus new decals only work for so many years. The EPS was the last edition to the sled and it only happened because Cat decided to engineer it for their 9000 series. Yamaha no longer has snowmobile...
  14. yamajammer76

    Food for thought/ 2023&2024 yamacat

    When the Procross is done, Yamaha is done. North American Snowmobile Operations is basically just a marketing firm anymore. They don't have anyone to even engineer a Yamaha engine and clutch system into a new chassis. Everyone that helped get the Viper and Sidewinder off the ground is gone...
  15. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    No the thread is about the 2024 Yamahas which are just a re-hash of the same basic Procross products since 2014 and 2017. Actually the line-up has gotten worse with less models offered. I mean they have the 2 stroke rebadges, but what's the point? Many are looking for something new. EPS only...
  16. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    I'll have to just agree to disagree. It totally was the 4 strokes that hurt them. I'll rephrase that. It wasn't the 4 strokes that hurt them, it was the fact the stopped offering 2 strokes. If they would have had 2 and 4 stroke engine options on a better in-house chassis (think Nytro handling...
  17. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    In 2014 Arctic Cat was still a small independent company that needed the infusion of cash and additional manufacturing volume that the SRViper/7000 offered. It was a life-line that kept them going for a bit longer. The Sidewinder/9000 was also developed and had one season of production before...
  18. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    The question though is how many sleds are they actually contracting Arctic Cat to build. If it's even 10,000 that's one thing. If it's 500-1000 that's something completely different. Take away the Sidewinder and the one model of Viper and the rest of the line is just a 100% re-baged Cat. I ride...
  19. yamajammer76

    2024 Yamaha snowmobile releases, March 14, 2023

    The SRViper will be back because the ZR 7000 is back, but there will be exactly one variant of that sled. A 137” trail sled. All of the other manufacturers offer 50-50 versions of their 600+ class sleds, but not Yamaha. If I wanted to replace my 2016 SRViper MTX 141” 2.25” 40” mountain front...
  20. yamajammer76

    2024 Prototypes and Spy Photos

    So basically three more years of Procross 4 strokes and/or rebadged 2 stroke Cats and then…


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