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I’m glad I’m not the only one noticing. And really when you think about it - it’s relatively recent still that things really began to change. And I must say - as much as I never thought I would part from Yamaha - my Can Am Outlaner 1000R is amazing! Not only does it have twice the horse...

And Maybe cat /Textron didn’t want to continue because people wanted the blue sleds instead of the green ones? But on another related topic I can’t help but feel like there’s a big hole in the market now for people who want 4 stroke sleds. It’s a lot of people and will continue to grow when you...

And Srxspec I would say not just Yamaha! The other 3 don’t seem to be doing a ton of work in the atv & SXS markets either. I’m not saying that they each don’t have some good products but not a lot. I certainly understand why Yamaha didn’t want to re-tool again and start making a new two...

But I guess what I’m looking for is what has changed so much? In the past they were a dominant force, or at least a very competitive force, in all of these markets. I would certainly concede that the snowmobile market is not a moneymaker for them. But side-by-side and ATV markets are still...

I appreciate your well thought out response. That’s interesting about what you observed in the business culture in Japan. Although I feel like the side-by-side market is fairly large and healthy right now. Certainly much bigger and better than the snowmobile market anyway. Does company pride...

Its still so hard to believe that Yamaha is out of the sled biz! It seems like yesterday that the SRX was king and the Apex was amazing and new etc... I understand, of course, that sleds are a smaller and smaller niche etc, but I always thought they would stick in the business to remain a four...

Its so weird to me that skidoo is now the reliable sled compared to Yamaha. My Apex and every other Yamaha I owned was so dead-nuts reliable all the time. The etecs were always burning down and I just went about my business for thousands and thousands of trouble free miles! I love everything...

As for Polaris they better have something up their sleeve. I’m told that their chassis is great but they are going to need a high performance 4 stroke to remain relevant. For those of you that get a new sled every year or two a two stroke is probably an OK gamble. But for the rest of us who...

This could be great for Yamaha actually. Now that Ski Doos flagship sled is a 4 stroke (for the first time) I predict that 4 strokes will finally be seen as cool lol. Seriously - skidoo controls so much of the popular narrative with sledders (4 strokes suck, weight is everything, etc). This...

Exactly, the important parts are here to stay. It’s just the “Z” model that may only be out for a year. It’s like if the SRX were only available for one year. You could still get a Sidewinder.

I don’t usually jump on the bias bandwagon often but it does sometimes seem like skidoo could take a dump on a set of skis and some of the sled magazines would rave about how innovative it is lol! I think the anti-lag is very cool and everything but it’s such a tiny niche device that the...

wow that’s really interesting. I would love to know the reasoning for the difference. I’m gonna leave mine in the factory position for now because I’m happy with the way it works but would still love an explanation. Would it make much difference in the amount or tunnel clearance for studs or...

My 2020 LTX-SE is in the bottom hole.

I think it will likely be close. But Let’s not forget the last time they brought the Mach Z name out of the mothballs. It was supposed to be a world beater but as it turned out it was equal to my Apex..........when the Z wasn’t burning down or literally catching on fire trail side. Frankly...

It will be interesting to see Mike. You have to assume Doo has the sidewinder in mind as its goal. That being said it would be hard to match what Yamaha has managed to do with the winder engine in terms of pretty much zero turbo lag. I'm not interested in a sled with perceptible lag. That...

Of course we have lots of super helpful members now with tons of technical knowledge, but Turk was one of the first and best.

I loved mine with Turks clutching (from the old TY days). Anyone else remember Turk? He was the best!

Youre correct. Ifound the following description on snowgoer: 'To activate the Launch mode on a stopped/idling snowmobile, the driver pushes the driving mode button forward to Sport and holds it for a couple of seconds until they hear the engine RPM increase to 1800 RPM. At this point...

Dying to know how the launch mode works? It really is ugly though. Ive always found their sleds to be ugly but this is a whole new level.

Thanks for the responses. To clarify it hasn’t slipped out of gear. I accidentally gave it gas while it was switching into forward. It only has 400 miles ( thus me not being used to using this push button reverse yet) so I’m not worried about the dreaded gear bushing yet. Im Just trying to...