2020 Release

[DGZRT]

This is so overblown its not funny. Same old stuff. All proven wrong. The Procross chassis is better then the Delta box. It doesn't eat slides. The wheels in the skid actually are the right size. It doesn't crack w-arms. It doesn't wear out bushings. It rides better. It doesn't lift an inside ski all the time.
If the motor fits so poorly, why does it handle so well?
I have put 10k plus miles on both the Delta box and Procross. No comparison the Pro cross is superior. The Delta box is not horrible, if that is an endorsement.
Please stop the nonsense

There is truth in both statements . It's just an Opinion ! We could sit here and come up with 10 things that make the Procross chassis a bad pick for long term reliability...... Whats better a juicy
Fart in the wind so it blows away or a Silent and deadly one in an enclosed room for everyone to enjoy. Happy New Years

 

[TPAY243]

STAIN you are so right again with your post but like I said before there are a handful of people that don't own or have even ridden the pro cross chassis and they are trying to compare it to the old junk box Yamaha chassis. like I said before they don't intend on buying anything new no matter what Yamaha comes out with or they would have moved on by now to a differnt brand. If you don't like what Yamaha has brought to the table then move on to something else. This pro cross chassis is leaps and bounds above the junk box. If you don't think so check out cats snow cross and cross country records.(and they have won cross country races with the zr 7000) I don't know how anyone can even compare the two. Oh yeah and I almost forgot the motor sits to high in the chassis, give me a break these new Yamaha's rail in the corners and fly flat in the air unlike the apex and nytro so they must have done something right.

 

[dylanjen9]

Forgot about my sons 1985 Bravo, which was handed down to my grandson then my granddaughter and now sits in storage as they have also outgrown and we have owned for 18 trouble free years. We can't and won't part with it and I have more grand kids coming up that will be using in the future. I am going to next year pick up a SRX120 for a granddaughter who is 5, then move her onto the bravo.
I will never own anything other than Yamaha's the reaming snowmobile years ahead.
Back in 1999 I bought a new Mini Z for my son, put a hop up kit which was new gearing, glass pack muffler and governor eliminator. He had a lot of fun as it went 23 mph. I had two replace the track, replaced under warranty, a valve keeper failed and sucked the valve into the cylinder and locked motor up and then had a valve stick and get bent, which were repairs out of pocket, however since a technician made the repairs myself. Passed that onto my grandson and granddaughter before the Bravo however when they were done and ready we sold that.
This was my one and only Skidoo which I was not happy with the reliability.

Just so you know the srx120 is actually a cat chassis! Lol

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

Just so you know the srx120 is actually a cat chassis! Lol

I know it is a cat chassis and even a 4 stroke power plant. Not sure who makes the engine, our mini z was a Honda OHV which I was surprised on the two engine failures in the ten years we owned it. Not like a honda having engine issues. However it was super simple to work on.

 

[Handy]

In an effort to get to 100 pages let me add some more info. I own both chassis. The slider wear in the Delta Box chassis is totally due to the skid. I replaced skids in my 05 Vector & 06 Apex with AD Boivain ZX2 skids and the slider wear was eliminated. There was no (ZERO) breakage or replacing of parts. Wheel bearings last for years without service because the is no ice and water build up in a plastic skid and the ride is comparable to the 17 Viper stx dx I now have. I am going to let my 14 year old granddaughter ride the Viper this year and I am going to ride my Vector only because I spoil her and kids are into the newest and flashiest toys. So in my opinion both chassis work well. The Procross is a little better balanced than the Delta chassis although with the ZX2 the balance and trenching that the Delta was famous for was almost eliminated. Just my seat of the pants observations.

 

[STAIN]

I also replaced my mono skid in my 2005 RX1 with a ZX2. Stretched to 136 at the time also. I revalved the shocks myself for better rebound control. Along with a 45 inch front end kit and Curve skis that RX1 was as flat as any Delta box around. It just took $1500 to make it that way

 

[1nc 2000]

Yamaha corrected the hi fax wear issue in the single shot rear suspension. The bottom of the idler wheels sits lower than the hi fax with no wear on them. The original shock in it was junk but they stepped up and improved that.
I am sure we will see this rear suspension in future Yamaha sleds.

 

[STAIN]

I think you are right. It will be a version of the Alpha skid.

 

[TPAY243]

Single shot rear skid may work in a mountain sled but not on a trail sled I'll stick with the pro cross. In order to be like the rest you basically need to copy them ski doo, polaris, and cat. Their suspension design are all very close to being the same with in reason. The Japanese are proud people and will not copy someone else's stuff instead they come out with this off of the wall stuff that don't work(mono shock & singal shot). Honesty if you look at the 1997 pro action suspension it was very close to the Polaris suspension at the time and worked very well up until the delta box came out. The 2006 Apex i had was the worst riding and handling sleds i ever owned. The 2004 Viper was the last good handling and riding Yamaha up until they started useing the pro cross chassis. Put a new Sidewinder up against the last year Apex they build and tell me how the apex is better in anyway not happening the winder is lighter, more power, better suspension, better handling, better ergos, and all around better machine.

 

[sxr70001]

I bet these guys would have loved to have a procross chassis under them, or anything from the last 10 years for that matter. Can you believe we used to ride those things? And we were just glad to be out riding with our friends.

 

[SumpBuster]

I bet these guys would have loved to have a procross chassis under them, or anything from the last 10 years for that matter. Can you believe we used to ride those things? And we were just glad to be out riding with our friends.

Awesome!
Now, are the sleds better today? No question. Do I have more fun today?
Debateable.
6000+ miles on my 73 RTX 447 Sachs, with no trails around here...just ride anywhere you could....good times! Classic breakdowns too!
Also had a 74 Laser (Kohler)....and a 71 S300 293cc Sachs (til it blew...then bored out).

 

[Sasquatch]

This is so overblown its not funny. Same old stuff. All proven wrong. The Procross chassis is better then the Delta box. It doesn't eat slides. The wheels in the skid actually are the right size. It doesn't crack w-arms. It doesn't wear out bushings. It rides better. It doesn't lift an inside ski all the time.
If the motor fits so poorly, why does it handle so well?
I have put 10k plus miles on both the Delta box and Procross. No comparison the Pro cross is superior. The Delta box is not horrible, if that is an endorsement.
Please stop the nonsense

Hmmm mine doesn't do any of those things. 12,000 miles bushings are tight, never cracked an arm, what is this inside ski lift you speak of? Change sliders every 3,000 miles or more. Please stop the nonsense.

I did my homework and the Cat chassis is full of faults. Pages of them right here on this forum. When they refine it to the same level of the 2011 up Apex then it will be something but they can't because they don't own the chassis!

Ride and handling is subjective and I don't find the Cat chassis to be that great that I would leave my Apex for it. I have rode it and its all right but My Apex rides fine for me and steers easier. You want to make it about what you prefer but do not want to acknowledge what I or anyone else prefers. The mechanics of the Cat Chassis do not outweigh the ride and or handling sufficiently to make me or many others want one. If Cat fixed those issues like Yamaha refined out all those you pointed out then it might be something to consider.

 

[Handy]

I actually put the mono from my Apex into a 1990 Phazer and it works really well, rides and handles awesome. This skid works in a light chassis with little to no weight on the front end. It just did not work I the Apex.

 

[Sasquatch]

STAIN you are so right again with your post but like I said before there are a handful of people that don't own or have even ridden the pro cross chassis and they are trying to compare it to the old junk box Yamaha chassis. like I said before they don't intend on buying anything new no matter what Yamaha comes out with or they would have moved on by now to a differnt brand. If you don't like what Yamaha has brought to the table then move on to something else. This pro cross chassis is leaps and bounds above the junk box. If you don't think so check out cats snow cross and cross country records.(and they have won cross country races with the zr 7000) I don't know how anyone can even compare the two. Oh yeah and I almost forgot the motor sits to high in the chassis, give me a break these new Yamaha's rail in the corners and fly flat in the air unlike the apex and nytro so they must have done something right.

See and there it is the Yamaha is the old junk box and Cat is superior, don't ever point out any Cat faults but Yamaha is junk. NOT EVERYONE snowcrosses! Why should a person who is happy with the Yamaha sled jump to a Cat with all its issues? The Yamaha is superior to the Cat, Cat might beat it in snowcross but basically the Cat chassis is a pile of crap with nowhere near the quality built into it. All these nay Sayers of the Apex have never rode a 2011 up chassis. Its why people drive trucks or cars or sports cars or luxury cars, The Apex is the best luxury car out there and I'm not giving it up for a sports car I don't like. Next thing you know you will want me to buy a freeking Mustang.

 

[TPAY243]

Squatch you can honestly say that your stock 2011 and newer Apex out performs the pro cross. If so please enlighten me where it performs better. Is it in the bumps, does it corner better, does it out preform the P.C. in the straightaways. How does your apex handle the bid G bumps. I guess you said it best everyone is alittle different but I would take the mustang anyday over a F350