twyztid
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Yamaha's new models.....
Snorunner
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Here Kitty Kitty! I think Yamaha is selling Meow Mix now.
HMTurbo
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Beside re-branding another mfg's models lack of dealerships is a HUGE issue and will hault further Yamaha purchases for me. I think my closest dealer is 2-3 hours away. Unacceptable in my book.
shaggyzr2
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But could you answer this one question......Will Yamaha ever build their own sleds again?I'll work through some comments here...
We talked about scale-ability in the VLOG from Japan. As a company Yamaha works towards building engines that cross over many product segments. The 998 in the sidewinder shares components with products in our Side by Side business, Watercraft business and Motorcycle business. Taking the large investment to develop an engine and spreading it across multiple product segments makes the business numbers work.
When it comes to snowmobiles we are presented a very unique product group. If you look across all of our other product offerings each of those engines have shifted to primarily 4-stroke including competition motorcycles. We are happy with the success of the Sidewinder and SRViper in trail and crossover segments, however the Sidewinder MTX was not competitive in the mountain side of the industry. With customers putting a strong emphasis on a 2-stroke mill for the mountains.
Working with our supply agreement partners we felt bringing a relevant, innovative vehicle such as the MM8 with Single Beam suspension to the market with a lightweight 2-stroke power-plant helps to support our western dealers as well as bring a 2-stroke to the market in a very short time.
Great Post.
We are actively working on future projects with AC, when a project such as the SXvenom/Blast makes its way to the market this project has been many years in the making with engineers from both sides. We worked through many different engine options, chassis options, clutches, and inevitably came to market with a vehicle that we feel delivers on each of our design targets. We are also working to be as fluid as we can with shifting market requests, Mountain Max is a prime example of that. As we phased out the Sidewinder M-TX, we worked towards bringing a 2-stroke to the market that our consumers were asking for. The innovation of the single beam rear suspension combined with the lightweight of a 2-stroke we feel makes a very capable snowmobile to fit that market need. The bulk of our business remains on the trail side however this year our expansion into mountain segment, a cost effective 2-stroke 7/8th side SMB and expansion of our utility line helps to broaden our product offering.
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Only one Viper too.Why is my only option $20000+ turbos?Not gonna happen.
boatload
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I was looking to replace mine and my wife's Vipers this year. But Yamaha only has one sled choice between 65 HP and 200 HP???? Yamaha's not reving my heart.Only one Viper too.Why is my only option $20000+ turbos?Not gonna happen.
They still do it seems. Quote from the 2021 releaseBut could you answer this one question......Will Yamaha ever build their own sleds again?
Yamaha’s Japanese-built VK540, VK Professional II EPS and RS Venture TF models return, offering reliable snowmobiles across the two-up utility and touring spectrum with features you won’t find anywhere else, like electronic power steering (EPS) in the four-stroke models.
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Stryke ski is 100% Yamaha designed, tested and sourced.
Unique to Yamaha we also have spacers under the ski rubbers of the ski (Black boxes in exploded drawing) that can be swapped to change the handling character of the ski. We will be offering accessory spacers that have varying thickness and angles. Changing the spacer will adjust the steering effort, aggressiveness of the ski, and can be tuned for snow conditions. Example: December hard packed riding vs. March riding, when the snow gets soft in the afternoon, you may want to change the way the keel is loaded based on the snow conditions.
The single keel design also gives you increased cornering confidence and light steering effort. Moving from a dual keel on the Tuner to a Single keel of the Stryke will result in a increase in darting in certain conditions, to combat this we are using a staggered carbide set up. (Not pictured)
The ski will also be available through our accessory channels if someone wants to install it on their current snowmobile.
It takes time to develop something like a new ski, we saw many customers changing their skis online, and even polled TY members to get their feedback on what skis they were running! The Stryke ski is in response to all of that feedback.
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Jared: I appreciate you coming on here. Not an easy thing to do. I admit I cracked several jokes on here tonight. Then I found an e-mail showing your response. I bought my first 2 new sleds in the last 3 years. 16 & 17 Vectors. Other than the rear shock I was extremely impressed with the quality. The programmable throttle worked as advertised. My wife has MS so the power steeering is what I was after for her. The Apex had too much torque. After her road testing a 2012 Apex XTX. My research on the web. Brought me to the new Vector with the programmable throttle. For her. She never complained to me about the rear suspension. So when I blew up my modified Cat. I told her I was tired of working on my sled. And I bought one for myself. The Singleshot rear suspension on my Vectors is so bad I almost bought a new Viper this year.I used to be a Cat Rider. I did not like the color of the left over models. Blue Orange. I agree that the Pro Cross chassis. Rides better than the Deltabox. But at 60.5 yrs old. I did not buy these to have to work on them and reengineer them. And I can’t believe that the first new sleds I have ever bought. Riding since 89. Had a rear suspension worse than my 2001 Cats. Just my 2 cents. I also can’t believe you new you had a problem with the rear shock. Developed a fix. But only offered it to the Apex owners. To me that is what turned me off to your company. I did just purchase one for $350.00 Even though I bought your YES warranty on both these machines. Any way good luck in your new releases. I have owned many Yamaha products over my years always loved them. Hope the sled division can live up to the reputation that your products have had over the many years I have enjoyed them!
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Guess no one will every be happy and I'm one of those. But as I said Yamaha will and is now selling Cat two strokes. How long till a 800 in a Viper? Guess it depends on how many buy 2 stroke Cat sleds from Yamaha. People asked for it now its here. Too answer the question will Yamaha ever build a new sled? I would say no! I think the two company's are almost ready to merge lineups.
rla1
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They pretty much did merge already.Same sh*t different pile.
rb2001srx700
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I was hoping for something pure yamaha again. My guess I have a better shot winning the lottery at this point. I do like the Vipers. Only wish there was more colors to choose from. That black and blue transporter is nice. Wanted a blue and white. I need to upgrade but unsure if I should save the money and get a leftover or get the new black and goldish orange and buy a wrap for it. Maybe a black, blue and white. Anyways disappointed but still with yamaha for now.
Kevin
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So you only get a 1 year warranty?
rbell14
TY 4 Stroke Guru
Unfortunately there is not enough new updates, changes, advances in technology going on with Yamaha sleds IMO. I've seen this "new stickers" show too long and will be trying another brand this year. Since the partnership with Cat we basically seen the same stuff for years. I loved my Viper coming off a Nytro but I'm ready for something even better now and that doesn't really exists in the Yamaha line-up presently.
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Actually it does. It's called a Sidewinder and it is by far the highest performing sled money can buy.Unfortunately there is not enough new updates, changes, advances in technology going on with Yamaha sleds IMO. I've seen this "new stickers" show too long and will be trying another brand this year. Since the partnership with Cat we basically seen the same stuff for years. I loved my Viper coming off a Nytro but I'm ready for something even better now and that doesn't really exists in the Yamaha line-up presently.
If you 'loved' your Viper, you'll be head over heels after experiencing a Winder.
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