Am I in trouble

[Sasquatch]

LMAO.. I want to see you eat the oil.. Ill bring a sample to the Manitoba Ride

Smell and taste buddy. Never eat! Antifreeze has a distinct sweet smell and a sweet taste and is why dogs like it. Sasquatch's don't eat lots of stuff that included but feel free to try and feed it to me! Last five guys that tried that bled a little!

 

[yamalover93]

What do you mean by a few? That oil could be the result of starting it every other week or so and letting it idle for a couple of minutes. Probably one of the worst things to do for an engine!

The other thought... How did the antifreeze look? Depending on where the HG is leaking, you don't always lose antifreeze. Sometimes you gain antifreeze (aka oil), and other times it just ends up being an equal exchange. In the last 2 cases, the antifreeze is going to look muddy also.

Thanks for the info! Yeah the antifreeze is not discolored at all. I sent a sample into amsoil to get it checked out I'll know this week or next.

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[yamalover93]

I think I would change the oil again after running it and warming it up by idling it till up to temperature at least once or till oil looks like pure oil. I think I would check the oil during this warm up and see how milky it gets watching fluid levels. I say think because I don't know how the water got in. I do know it does not take much water to turn oil milky. Water can get into the motor via condensation. Wet environment and temp changes pull air in and out of the motor. As the motor cools it draws in air full of moisture. As it warms it expels air but some of the moisture stays behind. Repeating this cycle over and over can create a buildup of water. If you ran the sled in the garage off and on over the summer you would warm the motor and as it cools it sucks moisture in. If the motor did not get hot enough long enough it doesn't dry out.

Wish I was there I'd smell and taste the oil by a little dab on the tongue and tell you if it had antifreeze (Ya I know gross). Do you know any mechanics you can take the oil to0? I want to help you but you have to be careful with this cause water in oil can do a lot of damage to any engine but to a high strung 11,000 rpm engine its brutal. Water hits babbit bearing at high load and lots of heat it explodes into steam and pushes out your lube so in effect you are running with dry bearings. Instant damage! As I said I'm leaning towards condensation not antifreeze by whats said but from here its just an educated guess.

Well I'll try to taste it tomorrow! I'm kinda leaning towards water too I talked to a local shop about it and they said it's a common thing they see. Now how long should I idle it before I change the oil again? Should I get engine flush from amsoil too?

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[yamadoo]

I would buy some less expensive oil than the Amsoil and do a few fill /run until completely warmed up then drain oil, empty filter cycles until the oil you discharge looks as good as what you put in than put in the good oil and new filter.

If condensation it should be good to go, if there is an ongoing leak you should never get clear oil. Right?? It is the sweaty garage that makes me think condensation. Testing the oil for antifreeze would help.

I hope to make it to Manitoba and see Charlie drink oil and report antifreeze presence. LOL

 

[yamalover93]

Yeah that's the plan I have amsoil in it right now but I'll get some cheap stuff tomorrow in town. I already have a storage spot lined up for next year too in a nice garage so I don't have to worry about this again. And yeah makes sense of I have a leak out will keep coming out muddy looking. Where do you guys ride in manitoba? I can't wait to taste some yamalube! Lol

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[Sasquatch]

I would buy some less expensive oil than the Amsoil and do a few fill /run until completely warmed up then drain oil, empty filter cycles until the oil you discharge looks as good as what you put in than put in the good oil and new filter.

If condensation it should be good to go, if there is an ongoing leak you should never get clear oil. Right?? It is the sweaty garage that makes me think condensation. Testing the oil for antifreeze would help.

I hope to make it to Manitoba and see Charlie drink oil and report antifreeze presence. LOL

God what is this Drink stuff, you think I'm crazy? Well I do act it sometimes so maybe I deserve that but touch to tounge and spit and rinse and spit and rinse and spit and rinse, god now I'm sounding like a woman! Repeating myself! Where is your mind!

 

[YukonMP]

If it is possible to accumulate water/condensation inside an engine in significant volumes would it be a sensible precaution to seal our exhausts and air intakes over the summer?

 

[bbquadrider]

Not good to totally seal the intake and exhaust....makes it worse unless you somehow add a desiccant to absorb the moisture that will get in through any small opening....

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[RIGIDONE]

does the oil smell like gas?? to me it looks like fuel in the oil, see that often on carb'd units that are trailered with out having the fuel shut off. the float bounces around and allows fuel to get into the crank case.. On your sled it would happen from turning the key on and not starting the sled since it's FI..

 

[MrSled]

does the oil smell like gas?? to me it looks like fuel in the oil, see that often on carb'd units that are trailered with out having the fuel shut off. the float bounces around and allows fuel to get into the crank case.. On your sled it would happen from turning the key on and not starting the sled since it's FI..

I think its a Nytro XTX ... so it would not be stuck floats. But it could be severely flooded, I would still see if it smells like gas.

 

[RIGIDONE]

I think its a Nytro XTX ... so it would not be stuck floats. But it could be severely flooded, I would still see if it smells like gas.

yep, I knew it was FI, turning the key on without actually starting the sled would cause it, and it would only take a few times of turning the key to "ON" to do that..It happened to me on my 07 phazer, I turned to key on a couple times without starting when I was adding a water temp gauge and a PC3 display to see if my electrical work was on point, then I ruined my oil..


the little ball in an injector could be hung up as well, allowing small amounts of fuel to seep by after shut downs...A good quality injector cleaner would help that, NOT SEAFOAM!!! use a cleaner that lubes the injectors not dries them out..

 

[YamerHammer]

There is no way that would be just condensation........look at how milky it is that is like a half a liter of water I would guess. Oil and gas separate so if he was just doing a oil change it wouldn't even look like that. I would say if it is under warranty you shouldn't even consider making it your problem and just take it in. I would be very surprised if it wasn't coolant.

 

[RIGIDONE]

There is no way that would be just condensation........look at how milky it is that is like a half a liter of water I would guess. Oil and gas separate so if he was just doing a oil change it wouldn't even look like that. I would say if it is under warranty you shouldn't even consider making it your problem and just take it in. I would be very surprised if it wasn't coolant.

I have seen this 100's times in my line of work (20+ years) from carb'd machines being trailered without the fuel shut off, and have actually done this to myself on my phazer. The oil looks like coffee with a lot of creamer in it. If it was coolant, it would be settled to the bottom in a defined layer of coolant. It's gas in the oil.. The sniff test will tell..and the gas has thinned out the oil as well so its very watery...

 

[yamalover93]

I'm glad you said that because I actually thought it smelled like gas a bit. I'll see when the test gets back it should be there today and hopefully results tomorrow. If it's antifreeze it'll go to the shop, water I'll flush it out with some changes, if it's gas I'll flush it out then should I take it in?

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[RIGIDONE]

I'm glad you said that because I actually thought it smelled like gas a bit. I'll see when the test gets back it should be there today and hopefully results tomorrow. If it's antifreeze it'll go to the shop, water I'll flush it out with some changes, if it's gas I'll flush it out then should I take it in?

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It's fuel in the oil i'm sure, just do an oil change, leave the drain nut off for a few hours on the motor and tank, the oil has thinned out so much it will flow out pretty easily.., full it back up with the proper amount of oil also make sure you change the filter.. let it run for a bit and check the oil..you might need to do a second oil and filter change to make sure all the contaminated oil is out..

like I said, if you turned the key on with out actually starting the sled, (even just a couple 2-3 times) the fuel pump sprayed fuel on the top of the pistons and then the fuel seeped by the rings into the crankcase..Don't do that..lol