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Barn of Parts Driveshaft Saver....Bearing Lock

Discussion in 'SideWinder Trail Talk' started by hibshman25, Mar 3, 2019.


  1. hibshman25

    hibshman25 Vendor Vendor VIP Member

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    2018 snoscoot
    This project evolved through multiple designs and concepts since I originally started the thread.

    Video below is the final result.

     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2019
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  3. SideHogger

    SideHogger Expert

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    Awesome Travis! Keep up the good work and keep us posted! Plan on spending some money with you over the summer! Now...group buy on your powersteering? I think you would sell a s..t load of them! Lol Thanks again for making these sleds more reliable.
     
  4. jonlafon1

    jonlafon1 TY 4 Stroke Master

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    Very interested. Doing a new track in the off season. Subscribed
     
  5. ryama

    ryama Pro

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    I think the concept is valid. My only concern is,will the snap ring be able to handle the load that the side loading will put on it?
     
  6. ksiesel

    ksiesel Extreme

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    2015 Viper RTX-DX
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    Indiana
    Is there any concern with side loading the roller bearing with the bolts?
     
  7. ROCKERDAN

    ROCKERDAN OCD Sledhead VIP Member

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    I would worry about side loading the INNER snap ring on the axle, and also the outer snap ring will get side loaded by these 3 screws. Also, now the brake rotor is not floating, It will play havoc on the lever feel.

    Dan
     
  8. KnappAttack

    KnappAttack 24X ISR World Drag Racing Champion VIP Member

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    My concern too. I don't think it will as it is, however you could put a bolt on collar over the top of the snap ring to contain the snap rings outer dia. and then I think it will. You will also need a collar to go over the top of the inner circlip both to hold it in the grove and take up about 1/16" of space as I recall as the bearing does not sit against that inner circlip. I used a 1/16" o-ring to sit between the inner bearing and circlip on my when I assembled it last to help apply some pressure on the bearing race and help hold it.

    This is a great idea that just need those few tweaks I think. If we can't hold it against the circlip and contain it, we may need a weldment that I have seen done earlier here.
     
  9. Pstn head

    Pstn head VIP Member VIP Member

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    How about a round wedge aluminum Slug that'll expand when tightened inserted into the drive shaft and a long bolt against a cupped piece of aluminium machined to grab the rotor? So long as it can't dislodge itself. I'm not a machienest but I think that may also have a little flex to it which wouldn't be a bad thing. The bolt if locked in somehow with a cotter pin or something to ensure it doesn't come loose and start flying around in the clutches would be nice touch also.
     
  10. NYTurbo

    NYTurbo Expert

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    Saw where some one drilled a tapped the drive shaft for a set screw. Seems like a simple idea.
     
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  11. ROCKERDAN

    ROCKERDAN OCD Sledhead VIP Member

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    Several of us did that.

    I believe Travis is trying to develop a nice fix, that is simple and straightforward so we can all fix this issue, which is likely the worst problem this sled faces(that is not easily cured).

    Many of us added green bearing seat compound, but then the issue may be its very hard to take apart. Im glad Travis is putting his mind to this problem, it sure seems like YAM/CAT just dont care as its been pretty much same design since '12.

    Dan
     
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  12. XP123

    XP123 TY 4 Stroke Master

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    I had the outer snap ring break on my Winder last year. It didn't come off because it only partially broke but had I not caught it I'm sure it would have.

    IMG_2478 (800x600).jpg
     
  13. jonlafon1

    jonlafon1 TY 4 Stroke Master

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    Anything new on this Travis? Took out my drive shaft bearing a few days ago. Just hoping this post doesn’t die!
     
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  14. hibshman25

    hibshman25 Vendor Vendor VIP Member

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    I'm going to try and address the issue with a solution. Some concern if the rotor is not able to float so I definitely have to do some testing on the concept.
     
  15. KnappAttack

    KnappAttack 24X ISR World Drag Racing Champion VIP Member

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    You don't want the rotor to float.
     
  16. ClutchMaster

    ClutchMaster HUGE Member VIP Member

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    2002 Viper W/162 A.C. skid, SRX pipes &CDI, 780 BB
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    Wisconsin
    You don’t need rotor float. Some vehicles have it, but not nessasary.

    I like your fix, it’s simple and I’m sure will work. I would be a little more worried about someone tightening the screws unevenly or to tight, causing the snap ring to fail.
    I don’t think the rotor would come off because the caliper captivates it, but it is a braking part and you might get into legal issues if someone had a problem. Definitely use locktight on those three bolts.
    M2C
     
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