Hygear twisted springs

[Jefro]

Yes those are standard Qs3?

They're iQS as it's an iACT model.

 

[jonlafon1]

They're iQS as it's an iACT model.

I see that now.. I originally thought they were standard Qs3.. The QS3R Canister is slightly longer then the Qs3. I don't know how the i ACT measures compared to the other two shock canisters? And Some may still run them(QS3R) like the way yours are with the tight together coils up top.. I just was unable to do that without hitting canister> with shock springs set with one turn of tension on stand..

 

[Sledroll]

When the ski drops out into holes, those tight coils will open up... unless you have too much preload.

When I remove all weight on the skis , they don't open up , that is why I am saying " I don't understand what benefit those 3 coils perform "

 

[twyztid]

When I remove all weight on the skis , they don't open up , that is why I am saying " I don't understand what benefit those 3 coils perform "

When your shocks extend, those tighter coils will open and effectively "soften" the beginning of the next compression stroke.

 

[Sledroll]

When your shocks extend, those tighter coils will open and effectively "soften" the beginning of the next compression stroke.

Can anyone confirm that the shocks actually extend when the skis are in the air ? (Pics are worth a thousand words)
When I replaced my front shims , I didn't notice the top coils opening up/shocks extending , when the skis were off the ground .

 

[twyztid]

Can anyone confirm that the shocks actually extend when the skis are in the air ? (Pics are worth a thousand words)
When I replaced my front shims , I didn't notice the top coils opening up/shocks extending , when the skis were off the ground .

Yes! Of course they do! All you need to do to confirm this is to lift the front end in the air with the skis hanging and you will see the shock extend and the coils open up.

 

[earthling]

Can anyone confirm that the shocks actually extend when the skis are in the air ? (Pics are worth a thousand words)
When I replaced my front shims , I didn't notice the top coils opening up/shocks extending , when the skis were off the ground .

Of course it extends, it works just like the video posted above. But here is a pic, sorry I can't pick the sled up any higher one handed while taking a picture.

 

[Sledroll]

Of course it extends, it works just like the video posted above. But here is a pic, sorry I can't pick the sled up any higher one handed while taking a picture.


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So , the shock and spring do extend .
Agreed .
But the spring only allows it to extend , it appears , about an inch +/-.
That qualifies as a dual rate spring , but nothing close to the Twisted ones , it appears .
The stock spring compresses the top coils under the weight of the sled , which means those top coils do nothing unless the skis are in the air .
On the twisted springs , the top soft part still has room to compress when the sled is sitting on the ground , and then from small stutter bumps , or any additional down force ,with out going in the air .
The twisted springs should be much better than the stock ones ?

 

[earthling]

So , the shock and spring do extend .
Agreed .
But the spring only allows it to extend , it appears , about an inch +/-.
That qualifies as a dual rate spring , but nothing close to the Twisted ones , it appears .
The stock spring compresses the top coils under the weight of the sled , which means those top coils do nothing unless the skis are in the air .
On the twisted springs , the top soft part still has room to compress when the sled is sitting on the ground , and then from small stutter bumps , or any additional down force ,with out going in the air .
The twisted springs should be much better than the stock ones ?

Not necessarily. The question I would ask right away is: Is there something wrong with the stock setup. If you are heavier or lighter than they were designed for, or you are more aggressive of a rider then probably they need some attention and you for sure will have to go to hygear or someone like that simply to get the spring rates you are looking for IF you want the sled to sit at the stock SRX height AND have full extension. It sounds to me like you just don't like the look/design of the stock SRX springs. They work, and they work very well unless you are outside of the design parameters. Can you spend more money and get better shocks... sure, absolutely. But, the way to get there is to find someone you trust who has experience riding the same sled and knows how to set them up and can understand what it is you are looking for. I wouldn't just buy a set of shocks, I would talk to someone like @cannondale27 or create a relationship with a local guy or spend some time talking to some online vendor or whatever.

As far as extension goes, you only need the spring to extend enough to get the shock to its full length. You don't need more than that any any left over tension is just... there, its not doing anything.

 

[twyztid]

What I am wondering is if the proper Hygear Twisted Spring setup on the stock Fox Zero Pro 1.5 RC shocks on an SE model will ride as good (or better) as QS3 shocks with the SRX factory dual-rate springs. I read about so many people that say that the QS3 shocks are too soft on #1 and too stiff on #3 so they leave them on #2 all the time. Seems like there is no point in having compression adjustable shocks then (which don't have rebound adjustment). At least the stock SE shocks have rebound adjustment.

 

[earthling]

What I am wondering is if the proper Hygear Twisted Spring setup on the stock Fox Zero Pro 1.5 RC shocks on an SE model will ride as good (or better) as QS3 shocks with the SRX factory dual-rate springs. I read about so many people that say that the QS3 shocks are too soft on #1 and too stiff on #3 so they leave them on #2 all the time. Seems like there is no point in having compression adjustable shocks then (which don't have rebound adjustment). At least the stock SE shocks have rebound adjustment.

I would think that this is a question (@cannondale27) of valving, not springs as much.

 

[twyztid]

I would think that this is a question (@cannondale27) of valving, not springs as much.

I have been talking to him already. Just looking to get more input.

 

[jonlafon1]

What I am wondering is if the proper Hygear Twisted Spring setup on the stock Fox Zero Pro 1.5 RC shocks on an SE model will ride as good (or better)

Not sure the ride would get better then other shocks, BUT the ability to adjust the ride Hight of the front end and still keep the plush ride if desired would be awesome.. IMO. that would make those springs better, so I guess it depends what your looking for or to improve.

 

[1nc 2000]

With a stiffer spring rate it will have an effect on your rate of compression and rebound and vice versa for rebound.
With the stock front springs I ran on soft setting for most of the time.
After switching to the softer hygear setup I was then set on the medium compression setting.
I am not a shock guy but this is my experience.

 

[Pstn head]

So , the shock and spring do extend .
Agreed .
But the spring only allows it to extend , it appears , about an inch +/-.
That qualifies as a dual rate spring , but nothing close to the Twisted ones , it appears .
The stock spring compresses the top coils under the weight of the sled , which means those top coils do nothing unless the skis are in the air .
On the twisted springs , the top soft part still has room to compress when the sled is sitting on the ground , and then from small stutter bumps , or any additional down force ,with out going in the air .
The twisted springs should be much better than the stock ones ?

It's possible your spring preload is way tight. Just be aware if you loosen the preload do it with the skis off the ground and shocks extended and to ensure there snug against the retainer, too loose the retainer could fall out.