RedRocket
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Re: JUMPING SHIP
I know you will, I don't miss 2-strokes at all!
skey01 said:I think i'll be happy
I know you will, I don't miss 2-strokes at all!
shanksyamaha
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tstewartfn14 said:
YUP. It is IMO.... There is so much traffic on the hill that the trails are beat to hell in one day. I have ridden there a few times but it sucked. Everyone from the south comes up and rides the hill on the weekends. I live about 45 miles east of tug hill and we get about the same amount of snow as them. We have about 1/15 the traffic as the hill, We have long stretches of straight flat trails and lakes. On the most busy weekends our trails get bumpy but most of the time its great....
Its fun to go to tug hill and ride once and a while on a weekday but other than that I stay away.....
Id love to come out and ride maine, I lived in Old Orchard Beach for a summer when I was 21, had a good time....
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if i didn't ride Yamaha, i'd be on a Doo, they all have problems, best of luck, let us know how it is
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I'm an old gearhead in many ways with lot's of 2 stroke fun in my life. But I got to tell you when I'm riding in the woods and enjoying the fresh air and a group of Skidoos comes by and stinks up my helmet I understand now about Yami's plan and the future of rideing..The WhiteMountain forest here doesn't ban 2 stokes but I bet some day it will. I look forward to that but might now ever live to see it.
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I've actually been considering getting a used or leftover Apex for my wife. There are a ton around for great prices, but it's actually the reliability of the Apex that has me re-thinking that.
To be honest, the thread here regarding somebody's 10,000 mile review scares the heck out of me. I wouldn't expect to have $2,000 in repairs to the least reliable 2 stroke in 10,000 miles, certainly wouldn't accept that with a 4 stroke.
To be honest, the thread here regarding somebody's 10,000 mile review scares the heck out of me. I wouldn't expect to have $2,000 in repairs to the least reliable 2 stroke in 10,000 miles, certainly wouldn't accept that with a 4 stroke.
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I believe with the 10000 miles of hard riding that he did and alot of sleds would be trashed. Some of that 2k was preventitive maintance I believe. Plus when you reach the 10k mark the sled will be hold it's value better.
I've got 4k on mine and the only thing I've done is had Y pipes changed out and covered under warrantee.
I've got 4k on mine and the only thing I've done is had Y pipes changed out and covered under warrantee.
shanksyamaha
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madthumper said:
Seriously??? OMG, I rebuilt my last 2 stroke 3 times in 4000 miles at a cost of over $3500 total. And that was just the motor, not including other issues. and that was only 4000 miles. I have never had a 2 stroke last me for more than 5000 without having to be rebuilt and thats $1000 per cylinder. so there is $2000 alone, not including other repairs. I think $2000 in 10,000 is cheap...
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shanksyamaha said:
I totally agree with this.
My 2-stroke experience was almost identical.
Not counting the lost riding time & experience due to engines that go BOOM!
madthumper
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shanksyamaha said:
$2,000 in repairs on ANY sled in 10,000 miles should be rare...period. Even the least reliable sled made. If you've never had a 2 stroke make 5,000 miles remind me never to let you ride anything I own or buy anything you own. lol.
A top end on a 2 stroke is only a few hundred bucks. Not sure where you're getting $1,000/cylinder.
I am expecting to put exactly $0 into repairs on my Doo 4 stroke in 10,000 miles (other than normal maintenance stuff). If that's not the case, I will not be happy.
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Are you kidding me. A couple hundred bucks?? It cost me $1000/cylinder way back when the dealer only charged 40/hr for labor. I have been riding sleds for 20+ years and I have never seen any sled make it to 10,000 miles without at least that much in repairs. The least I have ever spent in repairs was with my yamahas. I have grown up on sleds and have spent well over $2000 in one season on poo repairs
Not sure what my riding style has to do with it (which,btw is not that agressive) I only use good quality gas and the best oil I could buy in my sleds. I snow checked a new sled about every other season and I almost always blew a motor before 5000 miles.
The cylinder when it was cracked (which was almost always) was about $450 alone. On my last rebuid I needed a head, cylinder, piston and rings. That alone was close to $1000. The rebuild before that I had to put in a $550 crank. and this sled had 4200 +/- miles on it.
My 04 xc 700 That I currently have has 2400 easy miles on it (ridden by my 60 yo father and my wife) and it needs about $400 in shock repairs as well as another $400 for a track. There is no way this sled will make it to 10,000 miles without being over $2000
Maybe I could have done the rebuild myself and saved some money but still no where near a couple hundred bucks. Just a set of pistons and rings for my banshee in 1999 was $200
I sure do wanna hear from ya when you have 10,000 miles on that doo. lmao....
Not sure what my riding style has to do with it (which,btw is not that agressive) I only use good quality gas and the best oil I could buy in my sleds. I snow checked a new sled about every other season and I almost always blew a motor before 5000 miles.
The cylinder when it was cracked (which was almost always) was about $450 alone. On my last rebuid I needed a head, cylinder, piston and rings. That alone was close to $1000. The rebuild before that I had to put in a $550 crank. and this sled had 4200 +/- miles on it.
My 04 xc 700 That I currently have has 2400 easy miles on it (ridden by my 60 yo father and my wife) and it needs about $400 in shock repairs as well as another $400 for a track. There is no way this sled will make it to 10,000 miles without being over $2000
Maybe I could have done the rebuild myself and saved some money but still no where near a couple hundred bucks. Just a set of pistons and rings for my banshee in 1999 was $200
I sure do wanna hear from ya when you have 10,000 miles on that doo. lmao....
madthumper
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Did a top end on my 03 600 at 9,000 miles, it's got 12,000 on it now and runs great. I'm sure the pistons and rings were less than $300 and I did it myself with no experience. I've had the shocks rebuilt a few times and replaced the track, though consider that normal maintenance. As far as "repairs" the $300 on the top end was it in 12,000 miles. The last time I checked, many would consider the Doo 600HO not very reliable.
800HO made 8,000 miles with $0 in repairs. Thanks to an aftermarket carb boot failure it needed a rebuild. Crank and pistons done by dealer for less than $2,000. Track is in good shape yet on that one. Should make 10,000 with nothing more in it.
By the way, ran the cheapest 2 stroke oil I could find in both of those sleds. Less than $10.00 per gallon cheap, that is.
Shouldn't have to worry about carb boots or a top end on the Doo 4 stroke, so you can see why I'm expecting $0 in repairs in 10,000 miles. Still got about 7,000 to go, so keeping my fingers crossed it's as reliable as a 2 stroke.
800HO made 8,000 miles with $0 in repairs. Thanks to an aftermarket carb boot failure it needed a rebuild. Crank and pistons done by dealer for less than $2,000. Track is in good shape yet on that one. Should make 10,000 with nothing more in it.
By the way, ran the cheapest 2 stroke oil I could find in both of those sleds. Less than $10.00 per gallon cheap, that is.
Shouldn't have to worry about carb boots or a top end on the Doo 4 stroke, so you can see why I'm expecting $0 in repairs in 10,000 miles. Still got about 7,000 to go, so keeping my fingers crossed it's as reliable as a 2 stroke.
shanksyamaha
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Well maybe the difference in our expenses came from brand. It looks like you rode mostly doo and I was a polaris junkie. thats all I rode. So It may be that doo's are just better sleds and better motors.
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Its the luck of the draw,when I was on Poo, I had all the problems in the group,rope burns on my front bumper. After I jumped to my Apex, my buddies sled ,the same ones that been dependable became money pits. Dealer In Jackman ME,sells all four brands, she told me each weekend seems to be a run of repairs on different brand but Yammi 4 stroke. IMO riding style and conditions can contribute to the demise of parts. If beat the living sh$t out of it, it will break.shanksyamaha said:
shanksyamaha
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At the time I had all my xc's I was 16-21 years old so I probably was harder on them than I am today but I still had alot more than $2000 in repairs well before 10,000 miles, and I always used good gas and oil. And I always had the dealer do my work as I didn't know what I was doing at that time so that contributed some to my costs
1998 xc 600 (traded at 8100 miles, had been rebuilt 3 times, 2 of the 3 machine required at least one cylinder)
2000 xc 700 sp, (Ok I smashed this sled with a few hundred miles on it so this one never had any repairs)
1999 xc 700 because I was still paying for the one I smashed (took the the dealer around 4500 miles because motor was making a "noise" dealer said its just the clutch, its fine..... sled blew within 10 miles after that. needed a cylinder at a cost of around $800 at Fun Unlimited.
2001 xc 700, had been rebuilt by the previous owner before 1200 miles. I sold it at 4000+/- and I did not have to rebuild this one but I did put on a track and some suspension parts as well as intake boots and some other odds and ends.
2002 xc 700, bought from my dad, he had no problems with it at all in 3000 miles. Before it got to 5000 miles I had rebuilt it twice. Both times at Fun Unlimited Polaris and both times around $1000 in repairs
2003 xc 700 bought brand new. Blew motor at around 3500 miles. Rebuilt one side, rode from February to April and blew the other side. Rebuilt that over summer. Blew crank Next January. This sled had alot in repairs in the 5000 miles I had it. prolly close to $4000
My wifes current 04 xc 700 has around 2700 miles and we have our fingers crossed that it won't blow this year. Gotta put $900 in it with new track and rebuilt shocks as it is..
My only point is I think its very rare to go 10,000 miles and not put $2000 in repairs into your sled... Unless you ride a yamaha.....
How many other people think that $2000 is an outrageous amount to have to put into a sled in 10,000 miles. Remember we are talking about the 10,000 mile report on this site and he included alot of preventative maintenance so I think we need to include preventative maintenance.... Im sure I have put more than that in most sleds in 5000 miles...
1998 xc 600 (traded at 8100 miles, had been rebuilt 3 times, 2 of the 3 machine required at least one cylinder)
2000 xc 700 sp, (Ok I smashed this sled with a few hundred miles on it so this one never had any repairs)
1999 xc 700 because I was still paying for the one I smashed (took the the dealer around 4500 miles because motor was making a "noise" dealer said its just the clutch, its fine..... sled blew within 10 miles after that. needed a cylinder at a cost of around $800 at Fun Unlimited.
2001 xc 700, had been rebuilt by the previous owner before 1200 miles. I sold it at 4000+/- and I did not have to rebuild this one but I did put on a track and some suspension parts as well as intake boots and some other odds and ends.
2002 xc 700, bought from my dad, he had no problems with it at all in 3000 miles. Before it got to 5000 miles I had rebuilt it twice. Both times at Fun Unlimited Polaris and both times around $1000 in repairs
2003 xc 700 bought brand new. Blew motor at around 3500 miles. Rebuilt one side, rode from February to April and blew the other side. Rebuilt that over summer. Blew crank Next January. This sled had alot in repairs in the 5000 miles I had it. prolly close to $4000
My wifes current 04 xc 700 has around 2700 miles and we have our fingers crossed that it won't blow this year. Gotta put $900 in it with new track and rebuilt shocks as it is..
My only point is I think its very rare to go 10,000 miles and not put $2000 in repairs into your sled... Unless you ride a yamaha.....
How many other people think that $2000 is an outrageous amount to have to put into a sled in 10,000 miles. Remember we are talking about the 10,000 mile report on this site and he included alot of preventative maintenance so I think we need to include preventative maintenance.... Im sure I have put more than that in most sleds in 5000 miles...
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Wow....that is a lot of sled trouble for 1 person. Comparing to my 4 main riding buddies and me, you've had about 100 times more trouble than all of us combined. In our group of Poos and Doos, we've had one breakdown for a jackshaft bearing on an 02 Poo and my motor problems due to the carb boot. We've had a 01 Poo get to nearly 20,000 miles before the guy sold it. An 02 Poo still going strong with 20,000+. I don't know that either of those guys with high mileage Poos put much more than $2,000 in them including top ends and a couple of tracks. They do their own work though.
There is no reason for a sled, 2 or 4 stroke, not to make 10,000 miles relatively pain free. Yeah, you'll do a couple of shock rebuilds and maybe a track, maybe even a top end, but you shouldn't be putting $2,000+ into repairs.
Of course there have been some bad sleds that have been trouble prone like the 03 Firecat, 1000SDI, 900Fusion, and the 08 Nytro FX. If you bought one of those, you've probably had a little more trouble than the average guy.
There is no reason for a sled, 2 or 4 stroke, not to make 10,000 miles relatively pain free. Yeah, you'll do a couple of shock rebuilds and maybe a track, maybe even a top end, but you shouldn't be putting $2,000+ into repairs.
Of course there have been some bad sleds that have been trouble prone like the 03 Firecat, 1000SDI, 900Fusion, and the 08 Nytro FX. If you bought one of those, you've probably had a little more trouble than the average guy.
