SRX vs 2022 Mach Z

[DMCTurbo]

Stupid question guys/ What's a IR track??

Haha was wondering the same thing!

 

[Yamajon1]

Ice Ripper

 

[jonlafon1]

Ice Ripper

Thanks Jon
Jon

 

[SledFreak]

I find you very annoying in the way you try to put words in my mouth.

I would appreciate it, if you stop doing that.

I have a fair amount of miles on Winder and 900t. So re-read what I wrote and actually comprehend it, dont just change what I typed in your mind to make yourself feel better.

Hope and prayer? DUDE you are completely out there. I could care less about what the Mach does. I trail ride and have not drag raced anyone in quite some time. I think it will work pretty well on trail and won't be upset if it does not. I dont keep sleds very long anyway.

Im just buying a new sled like I have been doing for 40 yrs, I will buy whatever brand I want and may love or hate it. For me its much more about riding then racing. And riding over wrenching. I love tinkering more then anyone but have found it very nice to not worry about how a sled is engineered, just ride.

I find it very bizarre that you go back and forth from site to site trying to justify your Tcat. I love the tcat and winder, but will always call out their shortfalls.....You just seem to think the sled you own is the only sled made, and all others suck. Im guessing you are much younger then me, I used to think like you do. But I grew up.

Dan

"You just seem to think the sled you own is the only sled made, and all others suck." You are wild!!! I have owned over 20 skidoo's.... NOT CATS! At 52, I have owned a total of 4.

You are the one that is annoying... If you have a problem with me you should just send me a private message or better yet CALL ME!!!! You have jumped from site to site bashing the 998! Not the SRX, NOT the TCAT! In your second last post, you finally separated the 2. Probably the second time I ever seen you do that! You have your own opinions I get it!! So, do I!! One minute all you ever cared about was top end radaring!! Now you are just a trail rider. Why do you keep saying on either site then how the MachZ is going to be quicker if you are NOT worried about it? You have NOT rode it and neither have I!! Maybe you should stick to your 850 if you are so worried about off the line SNAP, instead of bashing the 998!

I thought we were good, but obviously you don't like to here anyone else's opinion and that is why I was trying to set the record straight!

I get you do alot for these sites, but please quit the crap! You are NOT the only person that has an opinion and has experience on sleds!

 

[BlueByYou2000]

Keep the personal crap out of here. Get back on topic and take it up using the PM feature.

 

[TPAY243]

"You just seem to think the sled you own is the only sled made, and all others suck." You are wild!!! I have owned over 20 skidoo's.... NOT CATS! At 52, I have owned a total of 4.

You are the one that is annoying... If you have a problem with me you should just send me a private message or better yet CALL ME!!!! You have jumped from site to site bashing the 998! Not the SRX, NOT the TCAT! In your second last post, you finally separated the 2. Probably the second time I ever seen you do that! You have your own opinions I get it!! So, do I!! One minute all you ever cared about was top end radaring!! Now you are just a trail rider. Why do you keep saying on either site then how the MachZ is going to be quicker if you are NOT worried about it? You have NOT rode it and neither have I!! Maybe you should stick to your 850 if you are so worried about off the line SNAP, instead of bashing the 998!

I thought we were good, but obviously you don't like to here anyone else's opinion and that is why I was trying to set the record straight!

I get you do alot for these sites, but please quit the crap! You are NOT the only person that has an opinion and has experience on sleds!

 

[TPAY243]

Right on Sledfreak I'm telling ya there's a bunch of Ski Doo trolls on this site and as soon as you confront them your the bad guy, ask me how I know. There is Ski Doo guys that bought Winders because Doo had or has nothing that will compete with them so they were forced to buy them or get there a$$ handed to them. I have raced 4 850's this season with my stock Winder and beat them all from start to finish in a bad way. The only reason these guys think the 850 is so fast is every time you hit the gas the ski's are in the air but that isn't what wins races. I can't wait till this coming winter when we can put all these Mach Z clowns in there place. There is a reason why you haven't seen them race yet,

 

[yamamarc]

ST boys wont run them on glare ice. I know it would be fun to see that but a few things you gotta think of.

Their MACH has the IR track, no "real" studs. The Winder would likely have no studs. ST does not stud the sleds they get to test/demo. They just review new sleds as they come. I'm pretty sure Yam and Cat do not offer a IR track, so that is likely why they did not run them off.

AJ did reply about his thoughts, and he agrees 998 will be faster. I think just about every "Mach buyer" with any sort of big sled knowledge agrees the 998 will be faster. I know I have always thought the 998 will be faster.

The question being asked and talked about though is which sled will be "quicker". With this question, the answer is not as easy to guess on outcome IMO. I believe from my experience owning a stock 998 and logging a fair amount of miles on a stock 900t(last yr) with 150HP, the snap down low is much better corner to corner on the 900t. With the new 900r at 180 claimed, that should be even better.

You can go back and find many of my old posts where i talk about stock Winder, and how docile it makes power. NO SNAP corner to corner, I must have typed that a thousand times back in 2018..LOL. Simple cure was a Quick spool tune, once tuned I absolutely loved my SNAPPY Winder, it was an animal.

I need to be more detailed here. Typically I along with most, lump the Cat 998 in with the YAM 998. So let me separate them. You will find some old posts, where my bud came to ride with me for a weekend. He had a new RR cat 998. BONE STOCK. I had my 270 tune with snappy corner to corner. Well, low and behold....We swapped as he wanted to try my Winder with tune, and did I ever get a surprise. That Cat with its "zero deflection" clutch setup and 24/50 gearing was just about as snappy corner to corner as my TUNED Winder! That has always stuck in my head.

So while I stick to my statement that a stock 998 has no snap corner to corner, i must be sure to clarify it was a YAM 998. The Cat is completely different down low corner to corner.

With that being said....Here are my future results from next December shoot out. I believe the Mach will take the win in seconds(Time) but the Tcat will take the win in MPH(Speed). I wish they will have a Winder there too, but likely wont. I also hope they will run the Mach with/ then without Launch control, just to compare.

Should be a fun winter. I just wish BRP could have added EPS somehow to the Mach. I think that new Tcat with EPS around my tight trail system would be a game changer.

Dan

This season is going to be exciting once we get out on the trails and start getting feedback from the consumer.

I been flashing/setting up, comparing , riding both 998 and 900t for the last few seasons.
Both machines are no doubt king pins in the hp category...
Here are my thoughts

900t overall chassis quality build is at the top when comparing to all manufacturers hand down..imo.. brp do put a tonne of time in r&d and it clearly shows. I don't see driveline issues what so ever on the 900t.
Where the 900t struggles is in the power delivery department. Having the tb at the rear of the motor, and the small turbo is a big disadvantage.
With the the Mach they obviously tested this sled toe to toe with a 998 and found a combination (clutching, gearing, antilag and and oem mods) to bring a advantage to beat a 998 stock.

The 998 are not as advanced in the chassis and could definitely use some refining(yamaha need to take over and do improvements and quality control like they were known for pre 2014)
Overall the chassis works awsome and imo handles better then the 900t when set up properly. (Every 990t I've tried are tippy)
The spotlight with Winder, and 9000 series /tcat is the 998 motor... all in all this motor is king. Just the design and engineering behind this motor is years ahead of all competitors..
Just compare the
boost pressures to hp between both and tunability differences.









My prediction if the Mach will beat the 998 in the annual shootout and claim victory as the big dog. But next year when yamaha get a hold of a Mach they will do some ecu changes and increase boost and/or come out with a oem antilag and reclaim victory..

 

[TPAY243]

We will know way before the shootout witch ones is faster. So you say the Pro Cross needs to be refined and then you say the Pro Cross chassis works awsoom and works better than the 900T witch you said is the best in the industry(but tippy). Man you got me cornfused I'm pretty sure you don't want Yamaha designing anything that has to do with suspension or chassis. What in 2014 did Yamaha have that was any good chassis and suspension wise other than the Viper. Please tell us how you know BRP found a combanation to beat the Winder or T Cat.

 

[Crossfire12]

You don’t need anti lag ,hole digger in snow. Mach motor will never make 250 hp without heavy mods,

 

[yamamarc]

We will know way before the shootout witch ones is faster. So you say the Pro Cross needs to be refined and then you say the Pro Cross chassis works awsoom and works better than the 900T witch you said is the best in the industry(but tippy). Man you got me cornfused I'm pretty sure you don't want Yamaha designing anything that has to do with suspension or chassis. What in 2014 did Yamaha have that was any good chassis and suspension wise other than the Viper. Please tell us how you know BRP found a combanation to beat the Winder or T Cat.

Sorry I was refering to the driveline refinements!!


All speculation and common sense!! You don't think brp had 1 or a few 998's to use as test mules when redesigning /refining the 900t(mach)?

 

[blurred vision]

Stock for stock does not matter for me as I can't get past one of the most ugly daffy duck looking sled ever made!!!!! Just saying.

 

[WinderFab]

I got info from a very good source that the doo 900t r is gonna be at 180hp not any more, I was told it’s pretty much what a certain tuner has done to the 900t to get it up to 180hp also a bit of clutch tweaking for the added power and a bigger outlet on the muffler.

 

[TPAY243]

Sorry I was refering to the driveline refinements!!


All speculation and common sense!! You don't think brp had 1 or a few 998's to use as test mules when redesigning /refining the 900t(mach)?

There is no doubt that BRP had a Winder to test against but that's a pretty bold statement with no evidence to back it up. I guess your not the only one that thinks that. I don't think it's all cracked up to be what some of you guys think it is. BRP would have been pushing for this big race that the Lesters where supposed to do. Now they come out with this excuse saying all the snow is melted and the lakes are to slippery. What ever we'll find out soon enough. Not that it matters but I did see a 180hp turbo YXZ take out a BRP X3 with a 250hp tune this weekend.

 

[number1kyster]

I don't care which one is faster, or quicker.

If Doo can put out a sled that goes toe to toe with a stock Winder, gets better MPG, better belt life, and is more reliable, I'd be willing to buy one. I like my Sidewinder, but the fact that Cat and Yamaha continue to produce the same sled year after year without addressing the common issues annoys me.