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Ya one of three categories of buyers: people that don't know better. But yamaha seems to make no effort in hiding this fact, I've seen it on several promotional videos. You would think they would at least try to play it off like it's their own.......... I'm not in the business I don't their...

I really don't understand the point. The all 4 stroke line might not have sold well but at least they could differentiate their product. Now the only thing yamaha does is becomes a middle man between you and arctic cat. Obviously Yamaha needs their cut so who's going to pay the middle man more...

This might be a record for longest time digging up an old thread. Does anybody know what happened to this phazer? Know someone that knows someone that owns it?

Something like the one outlaw built several years ago for this article: http://www.amsnow.com/reviews/mountain-snowmobile-reviews/2007/12/amped-up-and-maxed-out-snowmobiles It seems like a great platform to build. According to my research the motor only weighs 4 lbs more than the polaris 2...

The rumor mill is heavy today.......... I'm no expert but I don't believe AC can "order" a dealer to return anything. Dealers buy them and if a manufacturer wants them back they can buy them back. Also going back to the manufacturer would be the worst place for unsold inventory. What are they...

I think you misinterpreted my post. I didn't say the older two stroke yamahas were irrelevant. I said what yamaha built a decade ago isn't relevant to what they will release in 2020. They could very well release a 2 stroke sled but isn't going to be one they build a decade ago and what they...

I'd love it if that was the case............ I can't speak from experience and can only believe what I read. But a lot of the "4 strokes are heavier" is perception. I've read the 4 stroke phazer 2 cylinder motor itself weighed 82 lbs and the outgoing polaris patriot 2 stroke in the RMK was 78...

What they did in the past is kind of irrelevant. Point being if they went with 2 strokes for the most part they would have to either start from scratch or find a motor supplier. If they find a motor supplier and already use a cat chassis what are they adding and what are they profiting from...

The 2019 single cylinder YZ450 is about 55 hp. I believe the safe, factory authorized, pump gas turbo that yamaha used to authorize for the vipers brought it from 130 hp to 190 hp or 30% more HP. That was with something yamaha authorized and warrantied an aftermarket company to build and...

Thank you. It seems to make the most sense. The company doesn't have much experience with two strokes. So they either have to start from the drawing board or source their engine from someone else. Since they already do that with their current chassis they will be left with little that is...

My prediction is Yamaha stays with 4 stroke and now will be an all 4 stroke turbo company. Phazer 1 cylinder turbo 100 hp. Viper 2 cylinder 150 hp turbo, and sidewinder 3 cylinder 200 hp. Streamline their product line with basically all the same chassis and basically the same engine with more...

I'm surprised it's this close. It used to be a 4 stroke got almost twice the mileage as a two stroke and cost twice as much to run. But I don't really know anymore with new tec 2 stroke.

First time poster here. I've been a long time phazer rider finally ready to step it up with a viper. Like most snowmobiles weight is an important topic. Of course it's a big topic that comes up especially when you talk about 4 strokes. I could never bring myself to riding a 2 stroke but the...