10 % ethanol gas. how to store sled for summer?

[combat]

I just got around to putting my sleds away. I started them up un the trailer to unload them and they both acted like the plugs were fouled. I had put seafoam in the gas the end of March and thought that would take care of the gas portion. When I got them in thr garage I changed the plugs in one of the sleds and it only wants to run with the choke 1/2 way on . If I touch the throtle it stalls out. Do you think the gas is bad already, or have the jets gotten plugged up? Any info or thoughts would be appreciated. one is an 05 Rage and the other is an 04 Warrior.

Also where is the oil filter on the Warrior, It is not like ths Rage. Someone said near the battery. I don't know how to get at that either.


Thanks in advance, Combat

 

[towerrigger]

I would guess that it sounds like plugged pilot jets. The oil filter is below the battery on the warrior. You'll have to remove the battery and box to remove it.

 

[tcona-AGT]

you'll find it here
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=42869

 

[SlowPoke]

Ny has 10% ethanol as you know, Drain the tanks and clean your carbs, and store them dry. Next year make sure you drain the tanks and run them dry, wouldn't hurt to remove the carbs and make sure there is no gas left in them. The ethanol attracts moisture and causes the gas to degrade. I don't think there is a stabilizer made that will work on ethanol, but I may be wrong.

EDIT 7-16- I am wrong. Amsoil gasoline stabilizer (AST) has been tested and proven to work with an ethanol fuel, see my post on pg two of this thread.

 

[maxdlx]

stabil makes a ethonal stabilizer. I just add a can of sea foam and run it for 15 minutes, and store it. I would like to see some facts that ethanol "atracts" moisture. I have run it for years and found the exact opisite. The ethanol helps dispirse water. Maxdlx

 

[yammiman]

Maxdlx - ethanol and other alcohol based products such as dry gas do absorb water - once absorbed the water will burn in the combustion chamber - however, ethanol fuels that are strored for any period of time will continue to absorb water until the ethanol is saturated and the water and the ethanol separate (water is heavier than alcohol) leaving just the water at the bottom of the tank - in addition, alcohol (ethanol) evaporates at a lower tempurature than water which over time leaves no alcohol at all in the tank - there is no stabilizer that will stop that process - I'm with SlowPoke - store it empty or with a couple gallons of race fuel!!

P.S. - another little tidbid - the idle mixture circuits on todays four stroke snowmobiles, quads, and bikes are very small in comparrison to the two stroke conterparts - this makes them very sensitive to gas that has begun to brake down - in addition to ethanol, todays gas has alot more additives that breakdown and create deposits in the fuel system - my four stroke quads are more prone to gas problems than my sleds are

 

[pip]

A better question might be:
- How is the water getting into the sleds fuel tank?
The water usually comes from condensation in the air (in the fuel tank) If you store your sled with a FULL fuel tank (no air). There should be no condensation (water) in the tank to get absorbed into the fuel(ethanol).

 

[yammiman]

Most fuel systems are vented for expansion and contraction so it absorbs water out of the air (humidity)

 

[XDooMan]

E10 Gasoline actually seperates with less than 1% moisture contamination.
This process is documented, and is actually a service bulletin put out by BRP over a year ago.

The reason why there are specific additives and stabilizers for ethanol fuels is that some additives are non-soluble.

I doubt Sea-foam is compatible with E10 fuels as it is 90% IPA (Isopropyl Gas Line Antifreeze) There are new chemicals that have only been realized recently, that are soluble in the ethanol fuels.

 

[maxdlx]

I have used sea foam in my cars and trucks for years and have ran 15% ethonal in them forever. If moisture is getting into your tank through the vent with etanol in it it is getting in it with 100% gas too. Maxdlx

 

[yammiman]

I think you are missing the point - ethanol works like a magnet toward water - it attracts and absorbs it via the fuel system venting - non-ethanol fuel does not do that - it has no component in it that makes it attract/absorb water - if there is water in the atmosphere, alcohol will absorb it - it was actually put in fuel to do just that - the down side is that it reaches a saturation point, then separation, then evaporation - the ethers that it replaced actually bonded with water and did not separate or evaporate which made them a better oxygenator - but they were not politically correct!! LOL!

 

[SlowPoke]

The simplest way to store a sled in a state like NY that sells an ethanol blended fuel is to store it dry. Plain and simple. If there is no fuel in the system there is no way for it to break down and gum every thing up.

 

[200smk]

I've never had to store a sled with EFI before.....is it OK to run them dry aswell??

 

[apltx08]

I have the famous "FITCH" cells in my tank...its suppose to work wonders!

I also keep my tank FULL and I replace the fuel mid summer with FRESH stuff...and just use the old in your everyday car/truck and just before my 1st ride I replace it again, i've been doing this since ETHANOL was first introduced on the market and have never had any problems.

 

[maxdlx]