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Apex for long distance crusing

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sfraser

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I like to do 3-4 day trips in eastern/northern Ontario with saddle bags, typically 200 miles( 8-12hrs) per day. I know the motor/gas economy/ reliability of the APEX ER would be bang on for this type of riding, but what about the comfort/windshield and new ergo's on the Apex ER for extended multi day rides? Also a little concerned regarding the amount of space in the Yamaha saddle bags.

Any thoughts?

My alternative would be a Vector with the new monoshock.

Thanks!
 

I spoke with a rider/writer from the Snow Tech booth at Hay Days. He was very impressed with the Attack. He said the Apex was ok as well but the Attack was more balanced. I rode the proto's in spring. The wind protection was suppose to be "suprizingly good". He couldnt tell me about the wind protection on the hands because it was mild when he rode it. I ride for 2 weeks straight in Canada every year. I have the yamaha bags. With the additional storage I wont need any more bags. The vector has no storage. I'm 6'6 , and I am looking forward to the new chassis. If I had the choice I would go with a Apex/Attack.
 
Hi apex 21, I tested in the spring also and it was 9 below and no problem with the hands. I ended up with the Attaks. Seemed best over all but have gts comming also . Have to get the feel for clicker shocks and electric one also. If I like them will be putting them on the Attaks. .
 
I drove apex er and attack last spring. The Attack was smoother in the bumps but the shocks and looks of the gt were to much to pass up. I ordered the gt and cant wait. Riverrat........
 
Get the APEX or Attack as opposed to a Vector ot RX1....The older sleds feel like a Dinosaur in comparion! Even with the monoshock.

You need good power too for those BIG WIDE STRAIGHT northern Ontario trails!
 
Well that is what we did last year mostly 4-5 day saddle bag trips on Delta 1 chassis sleds. The 06 sleds should be even better just get the X tall windshield for that type of riding. The rider forward 06 Yami sleds are quite comfortable being not as radical as the Revs. If you ride mostly RR grade trails consider the Attak. But I like the twisties and that is mostly what is around my cabin so it is Apex for me :D

The comfort and reliability and mileage of the 4 strokes is perfect for long bagger trips especially and one of the Delta 2 sleds is what you want to ride this year vs the RX
 
The whole idea of the new riding position is better comfort. Why anyone would think that lowering the seat, and having to bend your knees more is more comfortable is news to me. You're also closer to the balance point in the sled. It's why the new sled will be far less fatiguing to ride on a long day.
 
sfraser said:
I like to do 3-4 day trips in eastern/northern Ontario with saddle bags, typically 200 miles( 8-12hrs) per day.
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I have done many 4 day trips and even a 7 day trip on the RX-1 with the saddle bag. No problem holding my gear in the bag and no problems with the sled. The 4-stroke motors are ideal for this kind of trip because of the fuel mileage. Did many 200+ miles on the 03 RX-1 and was not sore at the end of day. The 05 mono shock was even better. Did a 270 mile day with Beaver Fever and SRXTwins and wasn't sore at all at the end of day. With the older suspensions, you would spend an hour in the hot tub trying to recuperate. I imagine the new sleds are just as good if not better.

On a 7-day trip, I had a spare pair of jeans, several pairs of underwear, clothes for evenings in the bar, swimming trunks, and shaving kit. Just pack in zip-lock bags and you are good to go. I even carried an extra litre of oil just in case something bad happened.
 
wolfie said:
The whole idea of the new riding position is better comfort. Why anyone would think that lowering the seat, and having to bend your knees more is more comfortable is news to me. You're also closer to the balance point in the sled. It's why the new sled will be far less fatiguing to ride on a long day.
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If you consider the man and the machine as one unit, it only makes sense to keep the center of gravity as low as possible. The taller the seat, the worse the sled will corner and stability will be negatively effected. This is physics and cannot be argued. I predicted in 03 that many seats are too low and they will come up, But they have come up too much and sled are rider are now top heavy ala the rev. Now I predict that seats will come back down and overall ride height will come back down in an effort to improve handling. Seems the makers go up and down as the years pass. The fusion is likely to have the best positioning right now. The apex seat is too tall. Stability will be effected. I remember aruging with cat guys and their too low seat firecat. Now I argue with guys who like dirt bike seats on their snowmobiles. I guess I'm the moderate guy who knows the middle ground where seat height needs to go back to. Actually, the fusion seat height is real good. So I 'm referring to rev, which doo recognizes is too high and have dropped the chassis this year, (wont be enough) and yam apex which has a really bad looking seat thats worse by being too tall. I think the vector seat is fine. My opinion does not apply to sno cross racing class sleds where standing is 99% of the time. :ORC
 
X Ape,
This was a hot topic from say February thru May I believe. But perhaps as many as 100 guys rode the Delta 2 sleds and Tom and kviper and my dealer all had extended 2 week demo rides. I believe without exception (maybe one exception)all felt that they cornered better and were more stable.
So how could this be? I think the key is in realizing that the sled is a triangle. And the more mass you can put in the center the more stable it will be. The fact that the rider weight is higher is more than compensated by moving 200 (?) lbs to the center.
Other things come into play as well. The Delta 2 has the lower roll center geometry of the vector. and I think they have the front spring rates and roll bar dialed in right. Plus you can transfer rider weight to the inside of a corner easier. Even guys who say that dont do that, swear that they sit bolt upright all the time, you watch them they lean into a corner to some degree.
 
I sat on them at the swow and will not buy that style of sled did not like the rev the apex was better than the rev but still not comfortable . the rs was just right . If yamaha goes all this way i will have to keep my 03 or maybe cat will come out with a suzy motor in a decent body .
Tom-RX1
 
I have thought of chopping the seat down a couple inches but am worried about the re-stitch and how it will look/last. A couple inches down would make for a nice seat tuck too. Other than this issue, the apex seems to be damn good for the sporty groomed trail rider kind of guy, like myself.
 
I put over 4000 miles on my RX1 last winter and also got to test the Apex and for ride, handling , cornering, and stability I,ll take the Apex any day.
 
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