Frostbite
TY 4 Stroke God
This is it. We still have time to comment on the potential closure of Yellowstone National park. There still are a few days to do this. I encourage all of you to use the link below and let them know your feelings. It's simple and it only takes a few minutes. Powder Blue
http://mongoose.ida.net/glively/
http://mongoose.ida.net/glively/
Swiss Sledder
TY 4 Stroke God
Done. Thanks for posting the link.
Silver Streak
Extreme
PB;
Done. I lived in Boseman for a while and got the chance to go into Yellowstone via West Yellowstone gate. It was really beautiful. And the sleds posed no problems. The "enviromentalists" are overstating things like they always do. The animals couldn't care less, the exhaust fumes in the park are no worse than in any other part of the world and there will be many people out of jobs that rely on the snowmobile industry if we let the damn Clinton administration run rampant like they did when they were still in office.
Please reply to PB's link
SS
Done. I lived in Boseman for a while and got the chance to go into Yellowstone via West Yellowstone gate. It was really beautiful. And the sleds posed no problems. The "enviromentalists" are overstating things like they always do. The animals couldn't care less, the exhaust fumes in the park are no worse than in any other part of the world and there will be many people out of jobs that rely on the snowmobile industry if we let the damn Clinton administration run rampant like they did when they were still in office.
Please reply to PB's link
SS
Gilbey
Expert
Forgive me for my ignorance, but wasn't this already shot down in the legistlative process????
Brad
Brad
Silver Streak
Extreme
Gilby;
Your are right. It was shot down. But, the eco-freaks just won't go away. They won't shut up until they get what they want. They bitched and cried until someone opend it back up and here it is again. As far as I know, the sleds are being limited starting this winter. Am I right PB?
SS
Your are right. It was shot down. But, the eco-freaks just won't go away. They won't shut up until they get what they want. They bitched and cried until someone opend it back up and here it is again. As far as I know, the sleds are being limited starting this winter. Am I right PB?
SS
Boston RX1
TY 4 Stroke Master
Yellowstone
Thanks, done. I hope to ride there someday.
Thanks, done. I hope to ride there someday.
vmaxjohn
Pro
You've got to post this on ALL the TY forums! I haven't seen it yet on .net or.com, just here!
There are a couple thousand registered Tyers, if we all respond, we'll make a difference!
There are a couple thousand registered Tyers, if we all respond, we'll make a difference!
Done! enough is enough we have rights too.
kmer
Expert
Done.
Closing the park to snowmobilers would be a shame. There are regulations to help improve the snowmobile industry - and the industry is listening. While these people help to make these improvements others keep attacking them from another position. As individuals we are either part of the problem or part of the solution. How can closing the park be seen as a solution?
Closing the park to snowmobilers would be a shame. There are regulations to help improve the snowmobile industry - and the industry is listening. While these people help to make these improvements others keep attacking them from another position. As individuals we are either part of the problem or part of the solution. How can closing the park be seen as a solution?
welterracer
TY 4 Stroke God
DOne!
Dam tree huggers!! cant we all just get along??
Dam tree huggers!! cant we all just get along??
Frostbite
TY 4 Stroke God
Here's the dribble they are promoting. Reading this on AMSNOW pissed me off enough to make this post! Also, the gentleman (asshole) who signed the bottom of this can be e-mailed at jim@snowlands.org
Please give him a shout and let him know how you feel :wink:
The following is an excerpt from a newsletter printed by one of the many anti-snowmobile groups supporting a total ban on sleds from the park. These are the sorts of half-truths and outright fabrications these folks will be filling their comment letters with when they demand again that we be banned permanently from the park.
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COMMENTS NEEDED AGAIN ON YELLOWSTONE SNOWMOBILES
BACKGROUND
For two years, human-powered snowsports enthusiasts nationwide have fought to protect Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks. We’ve come tantalizingly close to victory, and we now have one more chance to try to convince the National Park Service to do what it admits is best for our parks, their workers and visitors like you: Phase out snowmobiles and restore Yellowstone and Grand Teton to their natural quiet and their pristine environment.
After weeks of delays, the Park Service on August 27 issued its proposed rule to implement its add-more-snowmobiles plan for Yellowstone. It’s giving us just 45 days to comment, and it’s making it more difficult this time for you to lodge your concerns.
This is the last chance to try to block the Park Service’s unwise and harmful decision to implement their plan that keeps snowmobiles in the parks.
We have until October 14 to comment. It’s more important than ever to mount a resounding defense of Yellowstone before the coming snowmobile season opens on December 17.
The big difference this time is that the Park Service is NOT accepting comments via e-mail.
RECENT EVENTS
Thanks to the hard work and boundless energy among those working for Yellowstone, we’ve made dramatic progress in the past year. An impressive 153 House members have co-sponsored the Yellowstone Protection Act, which still can’t get a congressional hearing due to stonewalling by leaders of the House Resources Committee. Undeterred, we continue to press Congress to do what the Park Service still refuses to for Yellowstone and those efforts are paying off. In a stunning vote in July, the House voted 210-210 on an amendment that would have phased snowmobiles out of Yellowstone. We actually had the vote won, 211-209, when time for the roll-call expired, but then House leaders pressured one of their own to switch his vote, killing the amendment on a tie vote. While disappointing, it shows activists like you are making a difference!
TAKE ACTION
That means you must submit your letters via snail-mail or through the Park Service’s special Yellowstone rule website. Here’s how:
Mail your comments to Planning Office, Yellowstone National Park, P.O. Box 168, Yellowstone National Park, WY 82190.
or
Comment via the Internet through the special website at www.nps.gov/yell/rule by filling out the various dialog boxes and then the comment box.
WHAT TO WRITE
The Park Service says its pro-snowmobile plan imposes new restrictions on snowmobile use in Yellowstone, including requiring newer four-stroke engines. While these machines are somewhat cleaner and quieter (this is debatable given test results published in the past two weeks), they still pose serious threats to Yellowstone, its wildlife, its workers, and skiers and other winter visitors. The Park Service acknowledged banning snowmobiles is best for the park, and admitted in its rule that human-powered winter visitors like you will bear the brunt of the noise and pollution that will still be allowed.
Tell the Park Service in your own words that the snowcoach option is the only suitable plan for Yellowstone. It will allow all visitors to enjoy the parks, not just a select few. And it is the only plan that is legally and scientifically sound, and the only one that is supported by most Americans.
Other possible points include:
-- Ignoring science: After 10 years and the most exhaustive study ever undertaken in a national park, the National Park Service''s best scientists, along with those at the Environmental Protection Agency, determined in 2000 that the best way to protect Yellowstone National Park was to remove snowmobiles from Yellowstone and adjoining Grand Teton National Park.
-- Ignoring the public: The Park Service received about 360,000 comments in its last round of public comments on the issue. Of those, 80 percent urged a snowmobile ban. In fact, in five public comment periods, Americans spoke loudly and unequivocally against snowmobiles in their park. A Zogby International poll released Nov. 11 by the National Parks Conservation Association showed 58 percent of Americans support the ban.
-- Ignoring the law: The Park Service''s own "record of decision" supporting the ban two years ago determined snowmobiles were impairing the park''s resources and the enjoyment of non-motorized winter visitors. Several laws, presidential orders, and Park Service policies require the Park Service to eliminate conflicts such as those posed by snowmobiles in Yellowstone.
-- Where''s the beef? When the Park Service said it was re-evaluating the snowmobile ban, it said it would consider new scientific and other data that might warrant changing the decision. So far, there is no new data warranting a change.
-- Breathe Yellowstone air at your own risk: Yellowstone rangers will not only be equipped once again with respirators due to unhealthy air quality at the park''s West Yellowstone entrance, many are also requesting hearing protection to prevent further hearing loss due to the snowmobile noise. That is an admission that snowmobiles are impacting air quality and creating a disturbance for visitors and wildlife alike. Given those negative impacts, how can the Park Service seriously consider allowing snowmobile use to continue, let alone actually increasing the total numbers of machines allowed to enter the parks? The Park Service could have taken measures to eliminate the threat to its own workers; instead it''s outfitting them in respirators and ear-protection devices.
Now it’s time to leave no doubt that Americans demand the best possible protection for the parks, for their wildlife, and for all visitors today and for generations to come.
Many thanks for your on-going support on this critical issue!
Marcus Libkind, President
Snowlands Network
Please give him a shout and let him know how you feel :wink:
The following is an excerpt from a newsletter printed by one of the many anti-snowmobile groups supporting a total ban on sleds from the park. These are the sorts of half-truths and outright fabrications these folks will be filling their comment letters with when they demand again that we be banned permanently from the park.
----------------------------------------------
COMMENTS NEEDED AGAIN ON YELLOWSTONE SNOWMOBILES
BACKGROUND
For two years, human-powered snowsports enthusiasts nationwide have fought to protect Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks. We’ve come tantalizingly close to victory, and we now have one more chance to try to convince the National Park Service to do what it admits is best for our parks, their workers and visitors like you: Phase out snowmobiles and restore Yellowstone and Grand Teton to their natural quiet and their pristine environment.
After weeks of delays, the Park Service on August 27 issued its proposed rule to implement its add-more-snowmobiles plan for Yellowstone. It’s giving us just 45 days to comment, and it’s making it more difficult this time for you to lodge your concerns.
This is the last chance to try to block the Park Service’s unwise and harmful decision to implement their plan that keeps snowmobiles in the parks.
We have until October 14 to comment. It’s more important than ever to mount a resounding defense of Yellowstone before the coming snowmobile season opens on December 17.
The big difference this time is that the Park Service is NOT accepting comments via e-mail.
RECENT EVENTS
Thanks to the hard work and boundless energy among those working for Yellowstone, we’ve made dramatic progress in the past year. An impressive 153 House members have co-sponsored the Yellowstone Protection Act, which still can’t get a congressional hearing due to stonewalling by leaders of the House Resources Committee. Undeterred, we continue to press Congress to do what the Park Service still refuses to for Yellowstone and those efforts are paying off. In a stunning vote in July, the House voted 210-210 on an amendment that would have phased snowmobiles out of Yellowstone. We actually had the vote won, 211-209, when time for the roll-call expired, but then House leaders pressured one of their own to switch his vote, killing the amendment on a tie vote. While disappointing, it shows activists like you are making a difference!
TAKE ACTION
That means you must submit your letters via snail-mail or through the Park Service’s special Yellowstone rule website. Here’s how:
Mail your comments to Planning Office, Yellowstone National Park, P.O. Box 168, Yellowstone National Park, WY 82190.
or
Comment via the Internet through the special website at www.nps.gov/yell/rule by filling out the various dialog boxes and then the comment box.
WHAT TO WRITE
The Park Service says its pro-snowmobile plan imposes new restrictions on snowmobile use in Yellowstone, including requiring newer four-stroke engines. While these machines are somewhat cleaner and quieter (this is debatable given test results published in the past two weeks), they still pose serious threats to Yellowstone, its wildlife, its workers, and skiers and other winter visitors. The Park Service acknowledged banning snowmobiles is best for the park, and admitted in its rule that human-powered winter visitors like you will bear the brunt of the noise and pollution that will still be allowed.
Tell the Park Service in your own words that the snowcoach option is the only suitable plan for Yellowstone. It will allow all visitors to enjoy the parks, not just a select few. And it is the only plan that is legally and scientifically sound, and the only one that is supported by most Americans.
Other possible points include:
-- Ignoring science: After 10 years and the most exhaustive study ever undertaken in a national park, the National Park Service''s best scientists, along with those at the Environmental Protection Agency, determined in 2000 that the best way to protect Yellowstone National Park was to remove snowmobiles from Yellowstone and adjoining Grand Teton National Park.
-- Ignoring the public: The Park Service received about 360,000 comments in its last round of public comments on the issue. Of those, 80 percent urged a snowmobile ban. In fact, in five public comment periods, Americans spoke loudly and unequivocally against snowmobiles in their park. A Zogby International poll released Nov. 11 by the National Parks Conservation Association showed 58 percent of Americans support the ban.
-- Ignoring the law: The Park Service''s own "record of decision" supporting the ban two years ago determined snowmobiles were impairing the park''s resources and the enjoyment of non-motorized winter visitors. Several laws, presidential orders, and Park Service policies require the Park Service to eliminate conflicts such as those posed by snowmobiles in Yellowstone.
-- Where''s the beef? When the Park Service said it was re-evaluating the snowmobile ban, it said it would consider new scientific and other data that might warrant changing the decision. So far, there is no new data warranting a change.
-- Breathe Yellowstone air at your own risk: Yellowstone rangers will not only be equipped once again with respirators due to unhealthy air quality at the park''s West Yellowstone entrance, many are also requesting hearing protection to prevent further hearing loss due to the snowmobile noise. That is an admission that snowmobiles are impacting air quality and creating a disturbance for visitors and wildlife alike. Given those negative impacts, how can the Park Service seriously consider allowing snowmobile use to continue, let alone actually increasing the total numbers of machines allowed to enter the parks? The Park Service could have taken measures to eliminate the threat to its own workers; instead it''s outfitting them in respirators and ear-protection devices.
Now it’s time to leave no doubt that Americans demand the best possible protection for the parks, for their wildlife, and for all visitors today and for generations to come.
Many thanks for your on-going support on this critical issue!
Marcus Libkind, President
Snowlands Network