Looking at all the complaining and non complaining about Yamaha’s lack of a new sled, I thought I’d try to put a history or ‘timeline’ of how often Yamaha comes out with a completely new model… I tried to dig back as many years as I could. Feel free to fill in whatever I may have left out. The point of this is to see how often Yamaha brings us a WHOLE NEW SLED based on their history. Some of this may be subjective. For example, I didn’t consider the 09 Nytro worthy just because they added the ‘tipped up rails’. Also when they put the Vector into the DBII, Not a new design. I’m totally unaware of the 2up side of things…redesigns and so forth. I’m not familiar with the SRX/SX/SVX….are these all new designs? Or are they just different motors in the same chassis? I don’t know. Maybe someone can more thoroughly make a new list? Judging by this……(totally due for 2011?) come up with your own conclusions.
90- EXCITER / ENTICER / INVITER / SRV / PHAZER/ OVATION.
91 – (no new models)
92 – VMAX / BRAVO
93- (no new models)
94 – (no new models)
95- (no new models)
96 - (no new models)
97 - (no new models)
98 – SRX
99 - (no new models)
00 – SX
01 - (no new models)
02 – SVX VIPER
03 – RX1
04 - (no new models)
05 – VECTOR
06 – NYTRO/APEX
07 – PHAZER
08 – NYTRO (completely redesigned)
09 – (no new models)
10 – (no new models)
90- EXCITER / ENTICER / INVITER / SRV / PHAZER/ OVATION.
91 – (no new models)
92 – VMAX / BRAVO
93- (no new models)
94 – (no new models)
95- (no new models)
96 - (no new models)
97 - (no new models)
98 – SRX
99 - (no new models)
00 – SX
01 - (no new models)
02 – SVX VIPER
03 – RX1
04 - (no new models)
05 – VECTOR
06 – NYTRO/APEX
07 – PHAZER
08 – NYTRO (completely redesigned)
09 – (no new models)
10 – (no new models)
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I amgoing to sit down tonightand figureout all the chassis changes through the years. Just for fun so to speak. Once I heard the word "HISTORY" all I could think of was "VINTAGE SLEDS"!!!!!
So, I will put a little thought into that one, on the first listing I think the Proaction Chassis (first trailing arm design came out in 1997 with the SX700 and other models. SO that is why I am thinking this is a good comparison based on chassis design.
Talk to you soon,
Steve
So, I will put a little thought into that one, on the first listing I think the Proaction Chassis (first trailing arm design came out in 1997 with the SX700 and other models. SO that is why I am thinking this is a good comparison based on chassis design.
Talk to you soon,
Steve
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I actually have a time line from yamaha. Each model runs for about 5 years before it is replaced. This goes with everything that they make including quads and dirtbikes. They need to run 3 years to make money on them typically.
I can not believe that people are pissed off because the Nytro has not changed. It just came out.
I can not believe that people are pissed off because the Nytro has not changed. It just came out.
peterdb said:
Made a few changes. I'm sure there is more I'm missing. Eric
How come no one listed the best sled ever made. Wheres the venom
SRXSRULE said:
i was thinking along these lines (again, this is subjective) but the warrior 136 is not a new sled. just an RX1 with a longer track. or am i wrong on that one? my other thought was that there is 'little' changes to most models every year. where do you draw the line? track lenght? fuel injection? hand warmers
? in order to not 'clutter' each year up, i thought it would be good to stick to only completley new designs. just my 2 cents. keep'em coming!morrisond
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Personally I consider the Current Apex to not be substantially different than the RX1. Same basic engine except for EFI and New Ergos and plastic but same basic chasis layout, bulkhead etc...
So to me they haven't really brought out an new sled since '03 and they still haven't bettered the Power to weight Ratio of the Old 1995 V-max 4 800 which was right about 150HP and similar weight to the APEX.
Where is the performance progress? The Apex rides better than the V-Max 4 800, but that's about it.
We're talking 15 years of no progress in terms of performance.
How much faster have 1,000 cc bikes gotten in the last 15 years? What 30-30% more Horsepower and 20% more topend and acceleration?
Time for an Revolution give us something that will feel fast, 150 Hp and 600 lbs just doesn't cut it.
Give us 180HP and 500 lbs.
So to me they haven't really brought out an new sled since '03 and they still haven't bettered the Power to weight Ratio of the Old 1995 V-max 4 800 which was right about 150HP and similar weight to the APEX.
Where is the performance progress? The Apex rides better than the V-Max 4 800, but that's about it.
We're talking 15 years of no progress in terms of performance.
How much faster have 1,000 cc bikes gotten in the last 15 years? What 30-30% more Horsepower and 20% more topend and acceleration?
Time for an Revolution give us something that will feel fast, 150 Hp and 600 lbs just doesn't cut it.
Give us 180HP and 500 lbs.
So to me they haven't really brought out an new sled since '03
the phazer and Nytro do not fit the rx-1 mold so yes they have brought out new sleds. Maxdlx
Still waiting for someone to post up the venom in the line up
the phazer and Nytro do not fit the rx-1 mold so yes they have brought out new sleds. Maxdlx
Still waiting for someone to post up the venom in the line up
97 was a huge year for new yammies with their new lightweight 600 twin & 700 triple in that all-new chassis.
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peterdb said:SRXSRULE said:
i was thinking along these lines (again, this is subjective) but the warrior 136 is not a new sled. just an RX1 with a longer track. or am i wrong on that one? my other thought was that there is 'little' changes to most models every year. where do you draw the line? track lenght? fuel injection? hand warmers
I'm cornfused here..........SRXSRULE changed it to list the 144" MM in '97 but I'm absolutely certain 2 of my U.P. buds here had '97 Mtn Maxs @ 136. We had a Mtn Max 600 new in '99 and it was a 136". Are you sure? I could have sworn the 144" MM didn't appear until 2000.
One minor correction.........2002 it's the SXViper........I know because I had an ER for 3 seasons.
Also, didn't 98 bring us the Mtn SRX? it's one and only appearance?
1976 SRX440
1976 Exciter 440
1977 Enticer (first oil injected sled)
1979 Excel V
1980 SRV
1983 VMAX
1984 Phazer...........Maybe best selling sled ever?
1988 SNO Scoot
1991 Exciter II
1992 Vmax-4
1995 Vmax 800
1996 Vmax Xt....long travel rear.
1997 SX 700
1998 SRX
2000 Mountain Max
2000 SX-R
2002 Viper
2003 RX1
2006 Apex
2008 Nytro
Thats pretty much my list
Eric
1976 Exciter 440
1977 Enticer (first oil injected sled)
1979 Excel V
1980 SRV
1983 VMAX
1984 Phazer...........Maybe best selling sled ever?
1988 SNO Scoot
1991 Exciter II
1992 Vmax-4
1995 Vmax 800
1996 Vmax Xt....long travel rear.
1997 SX 700
1998 SRX
2000 Mountain Max
2000 SX-R
2002 Viper
2003 RX1
2006 Apex
2008 Nytro
Thats pretty much my list
Eric
buddah2 said:peterdb said:SRXSRULE said:
i was thinking along these lines (again, this is subjective) but the warrior 136 is not a new sled. just an RX1 with a longer track. or am i wrong on that one? my other thought was that there is 'little' changes to most models every year. where do you draw the line? track lenght? fuel injection? hand warmers
I'm cornfused here..........SRXSRULE changed it to list the 144" MM in '97 but I'm absolutely certain 2 of my U.P. buds here had '97 Mtn Maxs @ 136. We had a Mtn Max 600 new in '99 and it was a 136". Are you sure? I could have sworn the 144" MM didn't appear until 2000.
One minor correction.........2002 it's the SXViper........I know because I had an ER for 3 seasons.
Also, didn't 98 bring us the Mtn SRX? it's one and only appearance?
Buddah....You are right on. the 144 was in 2000. It was the big dog for one year
Also the 98 MSRX was a one year wonder Eric
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Minor changes I would suggest:
2006 - Apex & RS Nytro
2008 - FX Nytro
2006 - Apex & RS Nytro
2008 - FX Nytro
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I say stick to sleds that either had a brand new chassis design, or sleds that had an all new motor. Suspension changes, minor motor mods, track length changes, even something like addition of EFI to vector in 2010 - IMO these don't count as new models.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
2000 & up mm were 141. been der dun dat twice.
