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Has any one ever tried to pull start one of these four strokes by wrapping the primary with a strap. I know it would have some serious opposition when pulling, but in an emergency, it is nice to know in a pinch.
SnowboundRX1
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I believe that someone did pull start their sled. It was after it was warmed up though. I think it would be very hard if it was cold.
Here's my usually long winded logic on the topic..
1. A sled that's so cold the battery won't turn it will NEVER turn by hand.
2. A warm sled probably will, but the most likely reason a WARM sled wouldn't turn over is because the battery shorted/failed and went totally dead.
3. If the battery is totally dead, you'll have no power to charge the fuel rails, run the electric fuel pump and the ECU. So pull all day long if you want, but with a dead battery I don't think it'll ever get fuel and spark.
So....I think it is far smarter to carry jumper cables as an emergency backup, as they would be more likely to actually succeed in getting it started.
But...here are some situation(s) in which a pull start might work/benefit these sleds:
1. If you have a maybe just slightly weak battery, or a good battery with a suddenly failed starter motor.
2. I've been known on excessively cold mornings with electric start 2 strokers to use two people to get 'em fired...one to turn the key/starter over, and one to pull the rip cord with both hands. This takes a huge load off the starter/battery, and takes the load of the recoil and the pullers back muscles. It simply helps the engine turn over faster and start easier. So maybe on something like a -40 or colder morning where it's not wanting to turn over fast enough you can add an emergency cord yank around the clutch while someone else is turning the key.
I still think jumper cables would be a more likely success in most situations. Of course you need another battery powered sled or car nearby to use that option. So this whole emergency start thing depends on a lot of factors, including what your riding buddies are on...
Overall, a tow rope is the BEST emergency no-start tool. Don't leave home without it.
1. A sled that's so cold the battery won't turn it will NEVER turn by hand.
2. A warm sled probably will, but the most likely reason a WARM sled wouldn't turn over is because the battery shorted/failed and went totally dead.
3. If the battery is totally dead, you'll have no power to charge the fuel rails, run the electric fuel pump and the ECU. So pull all day long if you want, but with a dead battery I don't think it'll ever get fuel and spark.
So....I think it is far smarter to carry jumper cables as an emergency backup, as they would be more likely to actually succeed in getting it started.
But...here are some situation(s) in which a pull start might work/benefit these sleds:
1. If you have a maybe just slightly weak battery, or a good battery with a suddenly failed starter motor.
2. I've been known on excessively cold mornings with electric start 2 strokers to use two people to get 'em fired...one to turn the key/starter over, and one to pull the rip cord with both hands. This takes a huge load off the starter/battery, and takes the load of the recoil and the pullers back muscles. It simply helps the engine turn over faster and start easier. So maybe on something like a -40 or colder morning where it's not wanting to turn over fast enough you can add an emergency cord yank around the clutch while someone else is turning the key.
I still think jumper cables would be a more likely success in most situations. Of course you need another battery powered sled or car nearby to use that option. So this whole emergency start thing depends on a lot of factors, including what your riding buddies are on...
Overall, a tow rope is the BEST emergency no-start tool. Don't leave home without it.
grumpysanta
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pull start
I would find it hard to believe because the clutch is not direct to the crankshalf but goes thru a secondary shalf then to the crank. just my 2 CENTS
I would find it hard to believe because the clutch is not direct to the crankshalf but goes thru a secondary shalf then to the crank. just my 2 CENTS
LazyBastard
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??? What does that have to do with anything?
grumpysanta
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check cutaway of motor. it does not lend to this way of cranking motor .A few dealers told me the same thing. but hay i could be wrong
grumpysanta
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I am also north of border where are you
gsxr
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anyone try to pull start their Honda Civic ????
why would you !!!!!!!
why would you !!!!!!!
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gsxr, no but I jump started my car after the Packer game last week when the starter took a crap. I would have screwed if I had a automatic. Back on the subject if my starter took crap on the Apex I'd be happy trying to wrap the clutch and start it rather then tow it back. 
