OTB said:I agree that a rolling start is best but most people know that these sleds keep pulling long after a 2-stroke max's out. I lose so much out of the hole it is crazy but I can usually make it up due to NOS but not in a 660' run. I always try to remember that this is a trail/touring sled first but if I could get the hook-up of my ZR with the power of the Apex I would consider it the best of both worlds. It makes me wonder if the A/C skid would work somehow in this sled?