2.25" Challenger vs 2.5" Challenger Extreme

[BordnBill]

Other than the .25" difference in lug height, is there a major difference between the two? And is there a major difference between the "old" CE track vs the "new" CE track? I'm getting a new track this season, and currently running a 2.25" Challenger. Ride in the Washington Cascades, so some trails, mainly to get to the boondocking areas. So I pretty much want a good all around track. Thanks.

 

[Super Sled]

Challenger (old style) is 2.52 pitch while new style challenger Extreme is 3.0 pitch. That, and longer lugs, as you pointed out. You'd have to switch to 3.0 pitch drivers to run new style track.

 

[rlcofmn]

I'm guessing he is referring to the "cat" challenger. The 3.0 pitch 2.25" lug. The CE is a much better performer, In addition to the .25" they are also a stiffer lug. For reference I went from a 152x2.25 Challenger to a 144x2.5" CE and the 144 out performs the 153.

 

[BordnBill]

Challenger (old style) is 2.52 pitch while new style challenger Extreme is 3.0 pitch. That, and longer lugs, as you pointed out. You'd have to switch to 4:0 pitch drivers to run new style track.

What exactly is the 4:0 pitch drivers? I have Avid 7 tooth Extroverts on now. And what I meant by newer style CE, I read on SnoWest that riders were to get track #9175, which is the "newer" style CE which is single ply, although nobody chimed in on how well the single ply's are holding up. The "older" style is #9945, which is a bit heavier, but stiff and durable.

 

[Super Sled]

Sorry, correction: 3.0 pitch drivers. That was a typo second time I typed it. No such thing as 4:0 drivers, lol!

What pitch are your 7 tooth Avid drivers? That's the question. To run the new CE track you need 3.0 pitch drivers.

I can't answer whether single ply tracks will hold up, but I personally prefer dual ply tracks. Dual ply tracks are heavier yes, but for me durability is more important than saving a few pounds, and to me the track is not the place to save pounds and sacrifice durability. But obviously a single ply track prob will spin faster -- better for hill climbing.

I think they make a single ply version of 2.52 pitch Camo Challenger track tho.

 

[BordnBill]

Sorry, correction: 3.0 pitch drivers. That was a typo second time I typed it. No such thing as 4:0 drivers, lol!

What pitch are your 7 tooth Avid drivers? That's the question. To run the new CE track you need 3.0 pitch drivers.

I can't answer whether single ply tracks will hold up, but I personally prefer dual ply tracks. Dual ply tracks are heavier yes, but for me durability is more important than saving a few pounds, and to me the track is not the place to save pounds and sacrifice durability. But obviously a single ply track prob will spin faster -- better for hill climbing.

I think they make a single ply version of 2.52 pitch Camo Challenger track tho.

I'm currently running a Challenger 2.25" 3.0 pitch track. I believe all the Yammi Nytro's are 3.0? With that said, my Avids are 3.0 pitch, I assume. The drivers were on there when I bought the sled. I agree with you when it comes to the durability of the track. Not much of a hillclimber, I would rather boondock.

 

[rlcofmn]

All MTX's are 3.0, I'm sure thats what yours are. They don't make a 162 in anything but. 163 would be 2.86 159 would be 2.52. If you bought it with that track I would assume it is a cat take off since it is a very common track swap. That is the only common 2.25 challenger.

 

[Super Sled]

I use a Mountain Viper 151" for boon docking and it has a 2" lug Challenger 1 track -- 2.52 pitch, 2 ply. It's my second Challenger track on there. I think the 2 ply only has so-so durability, bouncing off logs, rocks, dead and buried Arctic Cats, etc under the snow. I'd hate to be let down by a single ply track, which I bet would really not last very long before started losing rubber parts, lol!

 

[tapex_07]

The single ply CE is one of the most popular tracks used on the big mountain sleds with big power. And rotational mass is a HUGE factor, directly related to hp to the ground. Just my .02 tho..
I would get the 2.5 CE and be done with it. I couldnt believe how my sled pulled after only a track change in Cooke.

 

[BordnBill]

The single ply CE is one of the most popular tracks used on the big mountain sleds with big power. And rotational mass is a HUGE factor, directly related to hp to the ground. Just my .02 tho..
I would get the 2.5 CE and be done with it. I couldnt believe how my sled pulled after only a track change in Cooke.

So basically you're saying to get the newer single ply CE? Time to find one then.

 

[philsummers21]

Your sled has the avid extroverts 7 tooth 3.0 pitch. The track that is on it is a camoplast challenger off of an arctic cat. 2.25". Like others have said go with the 2.5" CE and never look back. You being non turbod would benefit from the "New" CE as it is lighter. Only difference is the "old" camo extreme has little ribs at the paddle tip which help on trails.

 

[BordnBill]

Your sled has the avid extroverts 7 tooth 3.0 pitch. The track that is on it is a camoplast challenger off of an arctic cat. 2.25". Like others have said go with the 2.5" CE and never look back. You being non turbod would benefit from the "New" CE as it is lighter. Only difference is the "old" camo extreme has little ribs at the paddle tip which help on trails.

Thanks Phil. Looking for part #9175, which is the newer CE track.

Will the Avid Extro's work with the new CE?

 

[pro116]

Your sled has the avid extroverts 7 tooth 3.0 pitch. The track that is on it is a camoplast challenger off of an arctic cat. 2.25". Like others have said go with the 2.5" CE and never look back. You being non turbod would benefit from the "New" CE as it is lighter. Only difference is the "old" camo extreme has little ribs at the paddle tip which help on trails.

Thanks Phil. Looking for part #9175, which is the newer CE track.

Will the Avid Extro's work with the new CE?

Yes they will work!

 

[mtdream]

Other than the .25" difference in lug height, is there a major difference between the two? And is there a major difference between the "old" CE track vs the "new" CE track? I'm getting a new track this season, and currently running a 2.25" Challenger. Ride in the Washington Cascades, so some trails, mainly to get to the boondocking areas. So I pretty much want a good all around track. Thanks.

the single ply is nice, but if I were buying a new track, I would wait and check out the newest single ply from camo...there are some threads on it...

However, to the core of your question...the 2.25" vs. the 2.5"....the .25" is MUCH more than a 10% difference, as you have to multiple that .25" by each paddle that is grabbing...

In other words your 2.25" track had 50 paddles on the ground (no I didnt count them, but you will get the point) grabbing .25" more snow on each and every paddle...so for every 10 paddles, it is like having another row of paddles grabbing...

the 2.5" is SIGNIFICANTLY improved over the 2.25"....

 

[BordnBill]

Other than the .25" difference in lug height, is there a major difference between the two? And is there a major difference between the "old" CE track vs the "new" CE track? I'm getting a new track this season, and currently running a 2.25" Challenger. Ride in the Washington Cascades, so some trails, mainly to get to the boondocking areas. So I pretty much want a good all around track. Thanks.

the single ply is nice, but if I were buying a new track, I would wait and check out the newest single ply from camo...there are some threads on it...

However, to the core of your question...the 2.25" vs. the 2.5"....the .25" is MUCH more than a 10% difference, as you have to multiple that .25" by each paddle that is grabbing...

In other words your 2.25" track had 50 paddles on the ground (no I didnt count them, but you will get the point) grabbing .25" more snow on each and every paddle...so for every 10 paddles, it is like having another row of paddles grabbing...

the 2.5" is SIGNIFICANTLY improved over the 2.25"....

Are you talking about the Camo Peak 2.5 or whatever it's called?