2012 Apex XTX Pushing Adjustments With Triple Points?

[nate007]

Be careful adding front spring pressure AND shortening the limiter straps. You'll be getting into dump truck steering pretty quick..

I run the same carbides, and although they are IMO the best ones out there, they aren't likely to be doing as much as you think on a groomed trail, or anything other than a hard packed surface. I think a part of your pushing issue on twisty trails (if you're pushing your sled fairly hard) is the skis themselves. If you have acces to try a different ski, I'd do that first. I had the same issue with mine, then bought a set of C&A Razors, and I have no more push, and didn't change anything on my sled at that time. My sled is an '06, but I swapped a Nytro XTX skid into it just befor the '09 season.

FamilyMan jsut did a writeup on the Mods skis in the Viper section I believe, and I got a chance to ride that very briefly last weekend, and all I can say is I've never ridden a set of skis with that much bite! If you're trying to control push in the corners, definitely check them out!
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=124860
http://www.modsskis.com/

 

[Caveman]

I looked @2012 XTX manual onlne & I don't have any red line or see other lines just 1 scored line line at bottom of rods. So I will tighten make gap smaller screw nut towards ground. Is there a minimum gap distance I should be aware of since no red line on rods?

The red line won't show up until you screw up or down the rod as an indication that you've gone too far. You'll see scored lines and then a red line. On my XTX (235lbs dressed) it was a combination of taking most of the pre-load out of the front shocks, installing a 13mm sway bar, 1 hole up on the limiter straps, 1 line up on the rods and Snowtrackers - it's as good in the corners as I can get it, push is gone and I fly. This Apex is tough to keep up with for any machine. It handles the bumps as well as it can without a shock revalve and Star suspension change which I'll do this summer.

 

[whitedust1]

Thanks guys for all the help. Sorry I was so confused about Apex XTX transfer rod gap but understand now. I shorten rod gap by 1 line left limiter strap in 1st hole & test rode. I'm getting more ski bite & less stock ski push but temp 20 degrees F higher & 4" of new snow fell so conditions are very different from yesterday. Steering effort was increased but expected that. I measured front ski springs & in soft zone 124ish mm. The center shock was sooooo iced up I could not measure it so hope it is in 117-12 mm ballpark. From the feel of my changes to tripple points form stock Yam carbides it seems the previous owner went for very light steering but firm ride. Aay other set up advice would be appreciated ..I'm coming off a 2007 attak Gt with 108 studs down the center to the new slightly used 2012 Apex XTX with iceripper track. Both sleds had skisavers, shims & 8" triple points.

 

[Preacher]

I have had excellent results with lowering a arms and Simmons skis .

 

[whitedust1]

Ok I'm there now on my Apex XTX with iceripper & 8" triple points but this what I said before.lol Turned transfer out to 2 threads past line 2, rear shock cam block on hard, rear clicker all the way hard... backed off 1 click,pulled limiter strap up 1 notch & that did it for me razor sharp turning,no push, no oversteer & no front to rear kick thru the big bumps always was good in the small slow crap. Seems like a lot you complain about kick from XTX rear but mine is smooth as butter now just took me time to figure it all out in very cold temps but exceeds my 2007 Attak GT by leaps & bounds. All I can say is keep working at it if Apex XTX rear suspension is not smooth & will say it doesn't like soft settings ....don't go there it won't perform... much better hard.

 

[snowbeast]

my buds got a 2012 , same problem ...he lifted his straps up one hole.. helped a lot, also adj. the transfer rods up to the fullest

What tarnsfer rod not like mono skid? Are transfer rods the short rods in rear of skid with 4 nuts. If so which way do I turn for more ski pressure? No manual so not sure what to do?

If you adjust the rods make sure you lesson the transfer if you want more ski bite,more transfer means more ski lift,i would start with the limiter straps first,any other adjustments play with your ride,if it rides good becareful even the transfer rod adjustment makes it ride more harsh,and your front skid shock will also make the skis bite more if you lesson the perload,what that means is you back the adjuster nut off,so the spring becomes longer or softer,but again it effects your ride,becareful here too. How does your sled ride? What do you have for skis and carbides?

 

[snowbeast]

you need to screw it up, not down towards the ground ,and you wont see the other lines until you do so! also pull the straps up first. then see if you even need to adjust transfer rods!

Are you talking about adding transfer or removing transfer with these adjustments,i haven't had these type of transfer rods sense my rx1 03 or my 07 rtx apex,pioneer used to see a quick adjust set up that was nice,generally with any transfer block or rod the more transfer you have the more front end lift you will get,and the less transfer the more the rear of the sled will slide thru the turn,but this big suspension is so long and has 7degree tip up rails things may work different with this skid,let me know what worked as this is my next sled,also what is the drivers weight,as this will effect transfer.

 

[whitedust1]

you need to screw it up, not down towards the ground ,and you wont see the other lines until you do so! also pull the straps up first. then see if you even need to adjust transfer rods!

Are you talking about adding transfer or removing transfer with these adjustments,i haven't had these type of transfer rods sense my rx1 03 or my 07 rtx apex,pioneer used to see a quick adjust set up that was nice,generally with any transfer block or rod the more transfer you have the more front end lift you will get,and the less transfer the more the rear of the sled will slide thru the turn,but this big suspension is so long and has 7degree tip up rails things may work different with this skid,let me know what worked as this is my next sled,also what is the drivers weight,as this will effect transfer.

The transfer rods confused me as well since different than mono but I would lessen tranfer keep skis on ground then pull limiter as last adjustment but that's all about your carbide & & front end handling. AS far as the CK rear suspension I would go hard on block & clicker as I didn't like the kick on softer settings. I have a very ruff section of unplowed FRs I ride back & forth until I can get what I want & Apex XTX was not good on soft settings will kick your #*$&@. On hard settings the sled settles down & smooths out in ruff stuff. Then pulling limiter 1 notch was the icing on the cake for me then when I rode groomed trails WOW I was peaked. I go about 215lbs geared but carry at least another 10-15 pounds of stuff with me. No idea how to set up an Apex XTX for a little guy not sure his weight would get the suspension to progress but don't know for sure but great results for me.

 

[snowbeast]

you need to screw it up, not down towards the ground ,and you wont see the other lines until you do so! also pull the straps up first. then see if you even need to adjust transfer rods!

Are you talking about adding transfer or removing transfer with these adjustments,i haven't had these type of transfer rods sense my rx1 03 or my 07 rtx apex,pioneer used to see a quick adjust set up that was nice,generally with any transfer block or rod the more transfer you have the more front end lift you will get,and the less transfer the more the rear of the sled will slide thru the turn,but this big suspension is so long and has 7degree tip up rails things may work different with this skid,let me know what worked as this is my next sled,also what is the drivers weight,as this will effect transfer.

The transfer rods confused me as well since different than mono but I would lessen tranfer keep skis on ground then pull limiter as last adjustment but that's all about your carbide & & front end handling. AS far as the CK rear suspension I would go hard on block & clicker as I didn't like the kick on softer settings. I have a very ruff section of unplowed FRs I ride back & forth until I can get what I want & Apex XTX was not good on soft settings will kick your #*$&@. On hard settings the sled settles down & smooths out in ruff stuff. Then pulling limiter 1 notch was the icing on the cake for me then when I rode groomed trails WOW I was peaked. I go about 215lbs geared but carry at least another 10-15 pounds of stuff with me. No idea how to set up an Apex XTX for a little guy not sure his weight would get the suspension to progress but don't know for sure but great results for me.

Well that makes me feel better as I am trying to drop down to about your riding weight in my birthday suit lol,now I am around 242lb at bed time,and a little closer to 255 riding I guess,so this may be the best apex skid for me,a few heavier guys also love it,thanks for your set up.

 

[whitedust1]

you need to screw it up, not down towards the ground ,and you wont see the other lines until you do so! also pull the straps up first. then see if you even need to adjust transfer rods!

Are you talking about adding transfer or removing transfer with these adjustments,i haven't had these type of transfer rods sense my rx1 03 or my 07 rtx apex,pioneer used to see a quick adjust set up that was nice,generally with any transfer block or rod the more transfer you have the more front end lift you will get,and the less transfer the more the rear of the sled will slide thru the turn,but this big suspension is so long and has 7degree tip up rails things may work different with this skid,let me know what worked as this is my next sled,also what is the drivers weight,as this will effect transfer.

The transfer rods confused me as well since different than mono but I would lessen tranfer keep skis on ground then pull limiter as last adjustment but that's all about your carbide & & front end handling. AS far as the CK rear suspension I would go hard on block & clicker as I didn't like the kick on softer settings. I have a very ruff section of unplowed FRs I ride back & forth until I can get what I want & Apex XTX was not good on soft settings will kick your #*$&@. On hard settings the sled settles down & smooths out in ruff stuff. Then pulling limiter 1 notch was the icing on the cake for me then when I rode groomed trails WOW I was peaked. I go about 215lbs geared but carry at least another 10-15 pounds of stuff with me. No idea how to set up an Apex XTX for a little guy not sure his weight would get the suspension to progress but don't know for sure but great results for me.

Well that makes me feel better as I am trying to drop down to about your riding weight in my birthday suit lol,now I am around 242lb at bed time,and a little closer to 255 riding I guess,so this may be the best apex skid for me,a few heavier guys also love it,thanks for your set up.

Apex is a big guys sled my buds SE or Regular Apex with mono II much more forgiving for easy riders. CK begs to be ridden hard & put up wet but, YOU HAVE TO LIKE FIRM, which I do. I had my Attak GT at its upper limits as well just used EC button to find sweet spot in studders. The CK is already there for studders or anything else big or small just charge thru it. Much better than mono front & rear works better together than 128 or 136 in ruff stuff no fighting the front end or ghost riding in the deep stuff.IMO