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Any US dealers OK with selling to Canadians?

You could just have somebody from the US that you trust purchase in their name (with your money). Then they can turn around and sell it to you for "$1". That way the US dealer is selling across border and you have the warranty to carry over.
 

Yamaha4Lyfe said:
ScottyR said:
Yamaha4Lyfe, I would almost swear that you work for Yamaha Canada with a reponse like that.

No matter what restrictions Yamaha USA places on their dealers, someone will sell a sled to a Canadian or vice versa if the exchange rates shift back to pre-2003 levels.

The solution to this problem is VERY simple. Price the goods at a reasonable exchange rate and you wouldnt be in this predicament. Even if you used a 1.25 exchange most people wouldnt bother if they were only going to save a few hundred bucks.

Harley Davidson Canada is well aware of this situation and has lowered the price on their bikes by several thousands of dollars since 03 to compensate for the strong CDN $. Why cant Yamaha or any of the other sled makers do the same?
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I do not work for Yamaha Canada...im just stating what i know. Im not saying YOU cant go and buy one. By all means go for it. Im simply stating that there will be NO price change on either side of the border as both Yamaha USA and Canada are competitive in their pricing in their own markets. Therefore they cant UP the american price or lower the Canadian price. So whats the alternative? They put restrictions on their dealers cross border selling. This is nothing new. Look at the other major three and their retrictions in regards to cross border selling...Also this "cross border" shopping has NOTHING to do with the exchange rate right now...for the most part. It has to do with how yamaha usa and yamaha canada prices their sleds for their dealers. Just for your info
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So what the hell good is the NAFTA agreement for. Free Trade is Free Trade......
 
Rotax! said:
Yamaha4Lyfe said:
ScottyR said:
Yamaha4Lyfe, I would almost swear that you work for Yamaha Canada with a reponse like that.

No matter what restrictions Yamaha USA places on their dealers, someone will sell a sled to a Canadian or vice versa if the exchange rates shift back to pre-2003 levels.

The solution to this problem is VERY simple. Price the goods at a reasonable exchange rate and you wouldnt be in this predicament. Even if you used a 1.25 exchange most people wouldnt bother if they were only going to save a few hundred bucks.

Harley Davidson Canada is well aware of this situation and has lowered the price on their bikes by several thousands of dollars since 03 to compensate for the strong CDN $. Why cant Yamaha or any of the other sled makers do the same?
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I do not work for Yamaha Canada...im just stating what i know. Im not saying YOU cant go and buy one. By all means go for it. Im simply stating that there will be NO price change on either side of the border as both Yamaha USA and Canada are competitive in their pricing in their own markets. Therefore they cant UP the american price or lower the Canadian price. So whats the alternative? They put restrictions on their dealers cross border selling. This is nothing new. Look at the other major three and their retrictions in regards to cross border selling...Also this "cross border" shopping has NOTHING to do with the exchange rate right now...for the most part. It has to do with how yamaha usa and yamaha canada prices their sleds for their dealers. Just for your info
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So what the hell good is the NAFTA agreement for. Free Trade is Free Trade......
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Apparently you have never tried to buy a GM/Ford/Chrysler product. Its the same in the car industry. Dealers in Canada could not sell to USA customers when the american dollar was stronger..and its the same in reverse now.
 
Yamaha4Lyfe said:
Rotax! said:
Yamaha4Lyfe said:
ScottyR said:
Yamaha4Lyfe, I would almost swear that you work for Yamaha Canada with a reponse like that.

No matter what restrictions Yamaha USA places on their dealers, someone will sell a sled to a Canadian or vice versa if the exchange rates shift back to pre-2003 levels.

The solution to this problem is VERY simple. Price the goods at a reasonable exchange rate and you wouldnt be in this predicament. Even if you used a 1.25 exchange most people wouldnt bother if they were only going to save a few hundred bucks.

Harley Davidson Canada is well aware of this situation and has lowered the price on their bikes by several thousands of dollars since 03 to compensate for the strong CDN $. Why cant Yamaha or any of the other sled makers do the same?
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I do not work for Yamaha Canada...im just stating what i know. Im not saying YOU cant go and buy one. By all means go for it. Im simply stating that there will be NO price change on either side of the border as both Yamaha USA and Canada are competitive in their pricing in their own markets. Therefore they cant UP the american price or lower the Canadian price. So whats the alternative? They put restrictions on their dealers cross border selling. This is nothing new. Look at the other major three and their retrictions in regards to cross border selling...Also this "cross border" shopping has NOTHING to do with the exchange rate right now...for the most part. It has to do with how yamaha usa and yamaha canada prices their sleds for their dealers. Just for your info
Click to expand...

So what the hell good is the NAFTA agreement for. Free Trade is Free Trade......
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Apparently you have never tried to buy a GM/Ford/Chrysler product. Its the same in the car industry. Dealers in Canada could not sell to USA customers when the american dollar was stronger..and its the same in reverse now.
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Were not talking about cars and either you own a Canadian dealer or You are a Sales Rep for Yamaha Canada. Either way, the manufactures want the best of both worlds. Please explain how the OEM can jack the price of the CDN sled up more than 1/3 of the price of the American sled. ie. Your quote says " I do not work for Yamaha Canada...im just stating what i know. Im not saying YOU cant go and buy one. By all means go for it. Im simply stating that there will be NO price change on either side of the border as both Yamaha USA and Canada are competitive in their pricing in their own markets." How does this fit into the CDN market. How can Canada's market need to be priced that much higher when the current excgange rate is not even close. You can't because it's called robery. The manufactures are so used to when the CDN dollar was worth 60 cents and have set the prices according to that old exchange rate. The problem is now they don't wish to change the price to reflect the current rate as it will cut into the bottome line. Well you know what, that's life, what they should be doing is redjusting there fugures so that it reflect the new rates. I'm really not sure who you are trying to convince here..... maybe yourself.
 
What I find strange is that you say that you dont work for Yamaha or are connected with them but yet your only 3 posts on this board are related to this thread. Makes me think that you already are a member who has changed their username to hide their identity or you have been lurking on the boards to see if the cross border buying is really an issue or not.

Yamaha should be careful if they threaten to close any dealers down for cross border selling. A certain CDN HD dealer was cancelled as a dealer for grey marketing bikes last year. He took HD to court and won. He is now 7 figures richer!

I know of a certain Yamaha dealer who just imported a bunch of new 06 Grizzly 660 ATVs from the US. He told me that buying them in the US saved him almost $1500 per unit than buying them from Yamaha Canada.
 
Ok...just because someone holds a different view than yourself "Rotax" does not mean they own, work for or have ANYTHING to do with Yamaha Canada or USA. Who cares what country anyone buys there product in? All I am saying whats probably going to happen. I dont really think there is need for the sarcasm you have "im not sure who u are u trying to convince...maybe yourself". I am not saying what is right or what is wrong. I am just trying to let u know that prices will not change and cross boarding shopping will. I am also just trying to let u know that it happens amongst the other brands already, and Yamaha is just the last to do anything about it. If u want to complain about that, fine, but dont forget to go on dootalk and talk about how unfair it is and then an arctic cat and polaris site too, because they have been doing this for a few years already. What YOU fail to realize is that this price difference is NOT due to the dollar...do u see that? Can you tell me how $3000 difference on a sled equates to a stronger canadian or weaker american dollar. Sure it has an affect but nothing THAT dramatic. It has to do with how Yamaha Canada..and Yamaha USA price their products. Both Yamaha Canada and Yamaha USA are price competitive with their respective markets. SO tell me how it would make sense for Yamaha Canada to drop their prices ..or Yamaha USA to raise theirs? If they did that they would not fit in their repective markets. Yamaha Canada would either be FAAAAR underpriced and/or Yamaha USA would be faaar overpriced. I personally would go to the usa to save 3 grand or so ANY day now matter how well my dealer treated me...all im saying is i dont expect that option to last long. So sorry guys if there is anything wrong with stating a few facts. There seems to be way to many ANGRY people on this site. People need to relax a bit. We are all on here for a common reason. THe love of Yamaha. Im done with this post.
 
Yamaha4Lyfe said:
What YOU fail to realize is that this price difference is NOT due to the dollar...do u see that? Can you tell me how $3000 difference on a sled equates to a stronger canadian or weaker american dollar. Sure it has an affect but nothing THAT dramatic.

Im done with this post.
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Good. You don't have a clue about how exchange rate flutuations between the USD and CND affect goods being imported from a third country anyway.
 
Guys I think Yamaha4Lyfe is partially correct. I read somewhere that Japanese imports are cheaper in the US than Canada due to the tariffs between the countries. What I read (don't remeber where) is; US and Japan has lower tariffs on exprts between the two countries vs Canada and Japan. You guys paying more to import the sleds than we do is alot of the cost difference. I wish I could remember where I saw this but, it was over 6 months ago.

If this is the case Yamaha Japan would probably do as Y4L said to prevent the loss of income from these tariffs. Like I said though, find a US buddy have him buy it for you (with your money minus a dollar) and then he can "Sell it to you" for a dollar. You get the transfer of ownership, warranty etc. and no dealers have to worry about the threat of dealership loss from mother Japan. It's a win/win. Yamaha surely wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot and deny a sale to a private party who turns around and "sells the sled" because he "decides he doesn't want it". ;)!

Edit; Discalimer, I work for ConocoPhillips Refining making gasoline not Yamaha.

Jim
 
BlgsRX-1mtn said:
Like I said though, find a US buddy have him buy it for you (with your money minus a dollar) and then he can "Sell it to you" for a dollar. You get the transfer of ownership, warranty etc. and no dealers have to worry about the threat of dealership loss from mother Japan.

Jim
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Jim:
There's no tarrifs on sleds coming into Canada from Japan, so the sleds cost to Yamaha Canada may actually be cheaper than they are as compared to Yamaha USA.
You are absolutely right about buying from our American buddies ;)!
 
I just got back from a business trip today in ND. I talked to 2 dealers who have no problem selling me a sled & they confirmed that fact with their rep from Yammie USA. They said the only issue is that I have to take the sled back to the US for warranty work.
 
Y4L is partially correct, there is no question.

All the OEs set the price on what the market will bear price wise. If a consumer will pay $15K for a GT in Canada, then they will go with that price. Unfortunately, Yamaha Canada isnt taking into consideration what the US market will bear and how easy it is to bring a sled across the border.
 
Yes, but what I'm saying is the market is priced based on the old exchange rate and the corporations now should re-ajust the prices to now fit the market. There is no logical explanation of why the CDN market can with stand to be priced a third higher than US market. Can someone please explain why the CDN market needs to be priced that high. The only reason I see was because of the old rates before and the OEM had to because of the exchange rate. Before it was priced right with the current rate, but, now that the CDN dollar is strong again the OEM's should re-adjust to compensate for this. They won't do it, so how do they get around this delima. Lets put rules on where our consumers can shop. Well that's bull...... The OEM's made a killing when the US dollar was strong and now they don't want to give up that profit anymore. All I can say is if the pricing of Snowmobiling does not change soon, then snowmobiling in Ontario for sure is going to die, especially after insurance, trail passes, fuel which is rediculous. Just look at PWC, that sport is dead, especially here in Ontario. You can buy a boat for what a PWC is worth now. Every year we get threatened with the trail system closing down, because of the cost of insurance to run these trails. In 1995, my Formula Z 583 was 8000.00 CDN out the door with insurance, trail pass and accessories. The GT in 2005 is 16820.00 out the door, no accessories, insurance or trail pass. For three months of riding if your lucky, is soon coming to an end. I can still take my old 583 just as far as any new sled and knowing I will make it home. Hale DOO for the Rotary Valve motor, the best mill they ever made.
 
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