Better trail skid.. mono shock, or rtx proaction.

[Maxout01]

Looking at a few apex's. One is an 07 gt and has the mono skid, the other is an 07 apex rtx and has the proaction older nytro skid with remote ressi shocks. Which one is a better skid? Want a good trail skid, but something that at least decent in rough trails. Any input? I like to have a good rough trial skid, but somewhat good smooth ride. I weigh 240lbs and ride moderately hard.

 

[berge75]

I'd go with the gt. The mono IMO the best riding skid yamaha ever made.

 

[Maxout01]

how does it handle hard trail riding on rough/mogul trails??

 

[Super Sled]

I'd go with the gt. The mono IMO the best riding skid yamaha ever made.

I'm with Berge here -- I love the Mono rear skid. It is so smooth. But I will confess that on rough trails with moguls you are better off with an RTX SE with Fox Floats. Better for the Saturday afternoon moguls.

But personally I try to avoid those HUGE bumps and try to pick decent trails that haven't been piss pounded. The MOno is the best skid ever for about everything else.

So, if u'r a mogul rider, get a different skid, and my recommendation is to look for Floats, which smooth the moguls out better than any other skid.

But otherwise, I just love the Mono. Smooth as silk.......



Mike

 

[ahicks]

Either will need to be revalved to work as best possible. The mono likes to break front arms and the ProActive, being kind, rides rough.

From what I've seen and read here, I think the Mono is the better plan. There a darn good reason they don't put the Proactive under the Apex any longer.

 

[Maxout01]

Thats funny because I thought the pro active was 10 times better then skidoos poopy skids.. It took 1,000 in shocks and torsions on my rev just to get it to stop bottoming ALL the time, and it rode extremely odd. It was either too soft or too stiff, could never get it right.

I gave that apex hell on a very bad trail, even jumped it twice at very high speed (85ish), sled was insane, it gave me no problems with ride or anything.

After hearing others comments, I think I'm alot more aggressive then most riders, and like the rougher aggression from the sled as well. Plus I'm fat, so that doesnt help, lol!

Are you saying the proacitve is just rougher then the mono, or that it has more problems??
A good local guy and friend of mine is a well known shock builder and I'm pretty well set for any shock service I need/want so I'm not really worried about stock. Whatever skid I can beat the hardest, and can take it the best is what I need.
I have a very odd riding style I think. I ride hardcore big bump like snocross trail riding and also ride like a ralxed old guy, lol! Depends on my mood and the trails.

 

[AKrider]

With your weight and planning to ride rough trails moderately hard I wouldn't recommend a mono. They just don't have the durability or performance window for rough trail use. That is the reason Yamaha went from the Mono to the Pro-Action in the Apex RTX a few years ago.

I raced with a Pro-Action in my Vector and had Carver revalve the center shock and upgraded to the adjustable piggy back rear shock and stiffer springs and it rode pretty well. But it wasn't perfect. It cracked where the front arm attaches to the cross shaft and I ended up cracking both the rails near the rear bump stops. So, the Pro-Action is not perfect but I raced and rode mine really hard. The Nytro rear skid has been more durable. As far as the Mono goes, I saw the results of one that broke 60 miles into a 200 mile cross country and it destroyed itself as well as spearing the track and ruining it.

I'd recommend shying away from the Mono unless you plan to replace it with a Polaris skid. Reason I say that is if you put the time and money into replacing a skid, buy one that rides good and it durable. Cory Davidson ran a Polaris skid in his Apex when he raced for Yamaha. There are some posts on here of how to do the swap.

 

[Maxout01]

With your weight and wanting to ride rough trails moderately hard I wouldn't recommend a mono. They just don't have the durability or performance window for rough trail use. That is the reason Yamaha went from the Mono to the Pro-Action in the Apex RTX a few years ago.

I raced with a Pro-Action in my Vector and had Carver revalve the center shock and upgraded to the adjustable piggy back rear shock and stiffer springs and it rode pretty well. I think any Polaris rear skid was better, but I got it to work but it wasn't perfect either. I broke cracked the front arm where it attaches to the cross shaft and I ended up cracking both the rails near the rear bump stops. So, the Pro-Action is not perfect but I raced and rode mine really hard. The Nytro rear skid has been more durable.

I'd recommend shying away from the Mono unless you replace it with a Polaris skid.

Ok, thats exactly what I needed to know!! Thank you.

 

[irondog rtx]

I have rode yamaha since 1988 and by a fluke I was givin a 660 cat and I had to do a parts run it was 150 miles round trip its the first time I got off a sled with out limping away. I love yamahas and buy a new one about 2 years apart depending on changes well I have a attak apex now and plan on adding a m-20 airwave and spring buying a 2011 model if any good stuff is offered The mono shock was a flop rtx snocross skid with revalving by hygear soso proaction with ohlins viper race shocks I thought was better by far than the mono . I never felt I could ride the mono hard like the rest . I am a true ty member but yamaha can not seem to make a skid why not I ask? they have the tech since I raced a skidoo with my 03 rx1 and he would whip me in hole shots over & over I have thought about a skidoo skid tranplant just my 2 cents Kim

 

[Maxout01]

I didnt find my skidoo to be all that different at all. And I put alot of miles on it, usually 1500 a year, till this crappy winter came...

 

[ROB_OT]

well i put 150 miles half of which were big and fast whoop sections .... being 350 lbs and a throttle junky makes me very hard on equipment.

rx-1 swapped to m-10 with remote ressie ohlins and crankable f.r.a. jack .

i will say it could not hook enuf to consider lifting a ski . but . i rode it harder than iver rode a sled in my life ... 36" snowbank hoppin ... i beat the snot outta that sled and it just took it ... it did take some very deep and fast whoops for it to find the bumpstop coilspring . i did not really have time to dial the shocks and limiter straps ... basically just adjust the fra and haul a$$

basically this is a post praising ohlins . we have a a proaction skid with a piggyback ressie ohlins on it that came out of the m-10 ohlins swapped rex ... and we are heavily considering tossing it into the 600 sx-r

 

[Nick1945]

I didnt find my skidoo to be all that different at all. And I put alot of miles on it, usually 1500 a year, till this crappy winter came...

1500 miles a year is not a lot of miles. Yours sleds should last a while if thats all you ride.

 

[hossZ28]

My nytro has the same skid as the rtx after revalving the shocks and replacing the springs to suit my weight the ride is much improved but not to my liking yet on the pro active you have 3 springs and 2 shocks to tune and maintain the mono has 1 shock 1 spring and better aftermarket support the proactive just cant seem to get that butter smooth ride of the mono on smooth trails it is always harsher in some aspect I hope that gives you some perspective in your decision

 

[Maxout01]

I didnt find my skidoo to be all that different at all. And I put alot of miles on it, usually 1500 a year, till this crappy winter came...

1500 miles a year is not a lot of miles. Yours sleds should last a while if thats all you ride.

um well around here 1500 miles is a huge season. We get very little snow here. Plus for a 2-stroke 1500 miles a year is alot. Now if I buy a 4 stroke thats nothing.
Havent ridden locals trails yet this winter, NO SNOW! Rode up north once on my rev, whooping 61 miles, then sold it. So this season I pretty much have that and one test ride on an apex as my season.. worst ever.

 

[Maxout01]

My nytro has the same skid as the rtx after revalving the shocks and replacing the springs to suit my weight the ride is much improved but not to my liking yet on the pro active you have 3 springs and 2 shocks to tune and maintain the mono has 1 shock 1 spring and better aftermarket support the proactive just cant seem to get that butter smooth ride of the mono on smooth trails it is always harsher in some aspect I hope that gives you some perspective in your decision

I'm more worried with rough trail, we don't really have smooth trails. Thanks for the info though it puts it greatly into perspective for me, helps make the best choice.