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yamadoo

yamadoo

Yamadoo is a snowmobile ' aholic'.
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I can just see this picture with little text. Something like:

:ORC

two sleds hanging on a balance scale

Mach z versus APEX
Ready to RIDE ( fuel + oil)

4 strokes to heavy "YA RIght "

:ORC
Even that wouldn't shut up the idiots who bash with out basis. Not that the RX 1 and progeny (apex/attak) are perfect but drop the wt thing already.

HOPE - only 6 wks till the days start getting shorter Ha Ha ;)!

Yamadoo
 

I have a question for everyone out there comparing the Apex vs. the Mach Z:

Is this a legitimate comparision? I bought an Apex RTX because I thought it was a similar sled to my REV 800. It seemed to me the Apex was a little bit better positioning for me than my REV and the 4 stroke has it's obvious advantages. I was willing to shell out the money to get the APEX because I think it will ride better than my REV, be more reliable, give better gas mileage and save some money on the oil.

I never even considered comparing it to a MACH Z. Let me know if I am wrong, but the Mach Z doesn't seem to be a trail riding sled to me. Drag racing is what I see that sled good for.

Shouldn't we be comparing the Apex to the REV MXZ 800's and 600's. I am not talking about power, just trail riding fun. My 800 REV is very fast, but I ride to have as much fun as possible on the trails and open it up on the ice. I don't care if a Fusion, Mach Z or RX-1 can beat me in a drag race. Frankly I would let them win if I could beat them just to get them to leave me alone.

It seems to me that my new APEX RTX is going to weigh a little bit more than my REV 800 and I doubt I am going to notice a power difference. I was willing to sacrifice a few pounds to get the better constructed Apex, but I am still keeping my REV because I still like it.

So, is the APEX to Mach Z comparision even legitimate. How many people out there actually sit at their computer trying to decide between an Apex and a Mach Z. It seems to me that most are looking at an MXZ REV versus the Apex.

I don't care if the Apex is lighter than the Mach Z because I actually want to ride and, although I may be wrong, that Mach Z doesn't look like much of a fun sled to ride on the trail.
 
Doo markets the Mach Z as a musclesled. Its all about getting from corner to corner as fast as possible.
I see the Apex being a very similar sled.
The difference that I see that makes the Apex much more worthy on rough trails are the taller handlebars and the taller, more foreward riding position.
From what Ive seen of the Mach, its got a more traditional riding position than what the Apex has.
I think that its a very fair comparison. I dont see an 800 being able to hang with an Apex on the straights.
The Apex RTX is Yamaha's big gun and the Mach Z is Doo's big gun. Its a very fair comparison.
The only difference is that the Doo faithfull will use any means (fair and unfair) to proove (at least in their minds) that BRP is still # 1.
Cap'n
 
Captain_Toyato, you are wrong about the Mach being a traditional rider position. The Z is probably more than the Apex. Doo's measurement says they are, but that has yet to be determined. When you sit on them both, they feel the same. Is it as much as a Rev? Not at all. But, to say that it is like a traditional sled is far from it. The Apex is 6" rider forward and the Z is 9-10" rider forward and the REV is 12" rider forward. Really the only comparison is the weight.

Maingearhead. They are comparing the Z to the Apex because of it's weight, not really any other issues. The Z is quite heavier than the REV. 40-50lbs heavier. The Z is Doo's best groomed trail sled. It's made for fast, aggressive trail riding/lake racing. That's why the seating position is a couple of inches back from the REV. You don't need to be that far ahead for trail riding. REV's work well on groomed trail and off trail as well.
 
I am one of the few people to have owned and ridden both an 05 mach Z and an 05 warrior. I can't speak for the 06 apex or attak because I haven't ridden either. I am making an assumption that the 06's will be even better handling than the 05 warrior. I have an 06 attak on order.

The Mach Z is a great flat out lake racer period. It was advertised as a hot rod trail machine but mine was not trail friendly at all. I bought a 05 warrior because I was very unhappy with the mach Z. The warrior was everthing I had hoped the Mach would be, a great high speed trail cruiser. In terms of flat out speed,stock to stock, there is no comparison, the mach is much faster. For overall riding pleasure there is also no comparison, the warrior is far superior.

Also, the mach z had many new model launch problems that I won't get into here. Some of those problems have not been fixed yet. BRP lost alot of good customers over the whole mach Z fiasco.
 
Been der dun it seen em in action. A good running 800 Doo will kill a 1000 Mach Z in 1000' or less especially in corner to corner blasts. Get the distance longer & everything changes. The Mach Z needs a long run to show its stuff.My good buds own these sleds & we run em off every weekend!!!
 
Rotax, did you even read what I said? I said the Mach Z has a MORE traditional riding postion than the Apex.
Ive sat on them both and to me the Mach Z felt much more like a traditional snowmobile.
Cap'n
 
Thanks for the replies. I have ridden a lot of sleds, but never a Mach Z. I guess my assumptions about the Mach were not completely accurate.

MY '03 REV 800 has been a great trail sled. I don't have any major complaints (I can always find something to complain about). After trying out the Apex I thought it even better for my riding style. I don't jump much, don't ride 80 on the trails and don't lake race. But I do like to ride hard on the trails.

My guess is next year I am going to be happy riding both my REV and my Apex. I still have to find a Mach Z to try out. Either way I probably won't own a Mach because buying an Apex was enough of a stretch for me. I don't think I could stomach any more money into a sled.
 
Turk, I agree. A good running 800 will run with the Mach up to a 100, then it's over after that.
 
i think it was supertrax that did the shootout and their weight for the mach z was 625 with 5 gal. gas. the 05 rx1 with 5 gal. gas was 630. the 06 apex is claimed to be lighter than the rx1, so you do the math. this is so close its coming down to rider weight, so if your the size of a jockey you win.
 
LazyBastard said:
That sounds like cheating to me. Who cares if they both have 5 gals of gas. How 'bout RX1 with half a tank and MachZ with enough to go the same distance?
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Throw some laser guided logic in there why dont you?
Exactly, that points to the 4 strokes being the best compromise of all worlds. The advantages might not slap you in the face in all cases, but they are there.

I think this is a topic because we are so tired of hearing about the weight issue even though it became a moot point in 05.
Nice to get em on scales with pictures and end it forever
 
I just sold my 03 800 REV that I had for three years, so I will be posting my comparison from my 03 REV 800 to the new Apex GT that I ordered.
 
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