Help identifying skis? (debating dooly/bergstrom)

[theCATman]

I have tried all brands of carbides, the only ones I haven't tried are Snow trackers, and the only ones we run are the Bergstrom triple points on my daughters 06 RTX, the wifes 13 Apex and my 07 RTX. (IMO) all with stock Yamaha skis.

Just curious... all stock Yamaha skis?

Your '13 Apex have tuner skis or regular 'el crappo skis?

Like I said before, everyone is gonna have their preference, but from what I personally experienced on that Vector with Tripple Points, it wasn't pretty. And that is the only difference in our sleds. If they work for you & your family that's cool.

 

[yamadoo]

Don't mean to stir the pot, but I have a 2006 APEX with 12 K on and Bergstrom Tipples, ski savers, his shim and toe out for the last 7k and it is fantastic. Was at a TY ride and approximately 4-6 Apexs set up the same way and we all loved the minimal darting, great handling and last forever.
Set up right all of these work. Tuner ski's, Dualies, Curves and Bergstrom tripples. I think the best option is probably the snow trackers, tried them on Steiners Attack and wow great but have had none on my fleet.

Yamadoo

 

[Tim47]

From everything I've read this is a topic that people are never going to agree on and can get pretty passionate about. It sounds like there are a number of ways to improve over what I have now, I probably just have to bite the bullet and try something. A friend with an Rx-1 told me I should try dooly's so that's where I started then I heard more and more positive about the bergstroms with very little negative feedback (other than perhaps price).

My reality is that I only have a darting issue in certain conditions. Most of the time it's not an issue. What I'm looking for is improved cornering during relatively aggressive riding, and maybe lighter steering at lower speeds.

What I don't want is anything that could contribute to pushing in the corners (which some have reported with each of the dual-type runners). It's not a common problem for me now, but I wouldn't want to accept more risk there to get lighter steering or less darting.

 

[dmaxx]

The doolys have some push if your not set up right. Adjust your front and rear suspension and you're good to go. As far as studding, 6" is enough for a lite load of studs and semi to aggressive riding,. If you go up to 8", you better have 144 or more studs or that will be a heavy steering beast. I have used the doolys on RX1's, Apex, and Vector with good results and they are affordable.

 

[Teamblue4]

13 has stock Yamaha skis, I put tuners on and the wife did not like them. I am trying the tuners on my sled this weekend.

I have woody's duallys and singles and triple points if anybody wants to try them, just pay the shipping. sold the other test carbides allready.

I have tried all brands of carbides, the only ones I haven't tried are Snow trackers, and the only ones we run are the Bergstrom triple points on my daughters 06 RTX, the wifes 13 Apex and my 07 RTX. (IMO) all with stock Yamaha skis.

Just curious... all stock Yamaha skis?

Your '13 Apex have tuner skis or regular 'el crappo skis?

Like I said before, everyone is gonna have their preference, but from what I personally experienced on that Vector with Tripple Points, it wasn't pretty. And that is the only difference in our sleds. If they work for you & your family that's cool.

 

[journeyman]

My Attak GT came with a set of Doolys on stock skis. So far I have not experienced any darting but have found them to push in the corners. One set of carbide sets I have heard good results with are the Stud Boy Shaper bars.

 

[Cummins6.7pwr]

If you are gonna drop some coin, go with snowtrackers. They down right work great! No darting, no pushing and rail through the corners... Just my $.02

 

[journeyman]

If you are gonna drop some coin, go with snowtrackers. They down right work great! No darting, no pushing and rail through the corners... Just my $.02

Yes I have read allot about them. But have also heard of some weird circumstances.

http://www.hardcoresledder.com/forums/3 ... ident.html

 

[torque monster]

I agree, a little push is safer, you just have to adjust your riding. Woodys slim jim doolys 6" on stock 06 apex rtx skis, no steering effort...feels like power steering! No darting, but a little push in the corners. I'm 260lbs and love these carbides.

 

[biffdotorg]

Everyone has his/her own preference, but when it comes to the stock Yamaha skis, the problem lies in the too shallow of keel.

The skis themselves don't have enough bite to track straight or grab in turns.

The key is to get a dual runner that's aggressive enough in width & depth to bite. The SnoStuds Doubledowns are 2" wide & will not clog up with ice/snow like other brands.

They are also sold in pairs, not individual like others.

I'm not a rep or salesperson for them, I just know they work great & won't use anything else.

This is similar to my experience as well. I have Dooley's on my daughters phazer with stock skis. It adds plenty of extra bite to the stockers. I have the Bergstroms on Simmons Flexi Skis as the inside runner on the Apex. So as others had stated, the Dooleys are great as the only wear bar, the bergstroms work well as a second bar on a dual runner ski.

 

[Kevlar55]

Those are Yamaha saddless skis, I have a pair of 6" Bergstroms triple points with less than 100 miles on them that I would sell if your interested.

How much for the triple points. If you still have them.
Thanks, Kevin.

 

[steiner]

What I'm looking for is improved cornering during relatively aggressive riding, and maybe lighter steering at lower speeds.

Then what I would suggest is Snowtrackers.

Single carbides of any length are good for people who just putter around on a sled.
Doolies are good fit for the average ride on the groomed trails. They have minimal darting but will push in the corners.
Bergstromm Triple points with the Ski Saver and Shim will perform somewhat better than the doolies. Minimal darting and less push in the corners and last along time.
Adding the Dartless product will make any single cabide perform like a Dooley or Tripple point but will increase steering effort.
Snowtrackers perform excellent in all conditions and riding styles. Even in loose trail conditions they will find the hard pack below and make the sled turn in the corner.
Zero darting and greatly reduce steering effort while in motion. Draw back of these is that the steering effort is increase while not in motion and the are almost double the price of a dooley or single carbide.
I have over 6k miles on my Aggressive Trackers and they have many many more mile to go before I need to replace them. In the long run they are cheaper per mile to use than single or Doolies.
Bergstromm tripples may last as long as Snowtrackers.
I have used every carbide setup that I mentioned above and have setup the sled as per recomendations by the manufaturer or by knowledgeable people from this site.
Adjusting the toe and setting the sled back to stock settings as per Snowtrackers instructions leaves the sled's suspension at its longest travel range giving an overall better ride than sucking up the limiter strap to get the skis to bite in the corners.
The only other draw back of Snowtrackers is you may find yourself driving a little faster than you used too and may have inside ski lift in the corners due to the extra speed you carry into the corner.
This ski lift has scared many a people who are not used to the it and thus has caused many people to blame the Trackers for this uncomfortable situation.They are right. The trackers will produce ski lift but only because they are doing their job as a good sharp carbide, biting in the corner.

There is no "magic" carbide that will work for everyone in any driving condition and style. I have found the Snowtrackers to be the least intensive carbide to setup to run in a variety of conditions and riding styles.