tkuss
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
I have spent the last hour looking at old posts about steering play and how to fix it, I am now confused and have a few questions. First off I have two types of steering play.
#1.) When I turn the handlebars in the garage with one finger or very little pressure, the bars will go 1 to 1.5" back and forth before the skis will even move.
#2.) When I stand up and yank (left, right, back and forth) like I would when carving, the whole steering shaft moves a bit as well.
I want to fix both of these, If I buy motophsyco's steering kit http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=73788 will this only fix #2 and not #1? Will it have any effect on #1?
If not does anybody know what causes problem #1, if so are you able to point out any bushings or anything else that needs to be replaced to help with problem#1.
Sorry for all the numbers.
Thanks for any help.
#1.) When I turn the handlebars in the garage with one finger or very little pressure, the bars will go 1 to 1.5" back and forth before the skis will even move.
#2.) When I stand up and yank (left, right, back and forth) like I would when carving, the whole steering shaft moves a bit as well.
I want to fix both of these, If I buy motophsyco's steering kit http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=73788 will this only fix #2 and not #1? Will it have any effect on #1?
If not does anybody know what causes problem #1, if so are you able to point out any bushings or anything else that needs to be replaced to help with problem#1.
Sorry for all the numbers.
Thanks for any help.
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call ulmer racing, he is working on plastic blocks with oillight bushings to replace plastic on the steering shaft and horizontal shaft.
I also recomend his front end bushing kit with grease fittings as well.
rod ends that usually wear are the dog bone that runs fromt he rack to the horizontal shaft no. 31 in your post
also the rod ends on no 38 in your post see alot of water and heat from the exhuast and are usually dry or rusty. when reinstalling the one over the exhuast, install a rubber flap over the tierod before bolting it to the steering shaft. (pack grease into it first) this keeps the water from running down into it as the rod end faces up and fills with water.
if you do all of these, the rest will be very tight. all of the rod ends when new have a tiny bit of play so dont think it is wore out if it moves a little.
I also recomend his front end bushing kit with grease fittings as well.
rod ends that usually wear are the dog bone that runs fromt he rack to the horizontal shaft no. 31 in your post
also the rod ends on no 38 in your post see alot of water and heat from the exhuast and are usually dry or rusty. when reinstalling the one over the exhuast, install a rubber flap over the tierod before bolting it to the steering shaft. (pack grease into it first) this keeps the water from running down into it as the rod end faces up and fills with water.
if you do all of these, the rest will be very tight. all of the rod ends when new have a tiny bit of play so dont think it is wore out if it moves a little.
Alright Tom.
Our kit should eliminate 99.9% of your #2 problem.
The way to check for play in the bushings we replace, is to grab parts (from your diagram) #5 and #9 and wiggle them around. If you have never replaced the bushings, I will guarantee there will be a HUGE amount of play. (our parts are machined to tighter tolerences than new OEM plastic bushings, so replacement with them will yield even greater fit than the OEM bushings)
Our parts will also "assist" in fixing the feeling you are getting from your #1 problem. Any play in the steering "column" will intensify the feeling of worn linkage parts however, they WILL NOT eliminate it completely.
You will also need to check the part #31 that Betheviper has mentioned... Part #38 is actually a cotter pin, and irrelevant to your problems
With the mileage your sled has, I also strongly recommend, you inspect parts the following parts as well: #46, #47, #27, #28, #11, assemblies #32 & #34... see diagram below
Any "lateral" movement is not acceptable. These are all "rotational" parts, and should not move any other way than in a circular fashion (with the exception of the rod ends, which will pivot but should not exhibit any "play").
You also need to inspect the following parts for excessive play:
(If you find play in any of these bushings, Ulmer makes great aftermarket parts to replace many of them
...)
Our kit should eliminate 99.9% of your #2 problem.
The way to check for play in the bushings we replace, is to grab parts (from your diagram) #5 and #9 and wiggle them around. If you have never replaced the bushings, I will guarantee there will be a HUGE amount of play. (our parts are machined to tighter tolerences than new OEM plastic bushings, so replacement with them will yield even greater fit than the OEM bushings)
Our parts will also "assist" in fixing the feeling you are getting from your #1 problem. Any play in the steering "column" will intensify the feeling of worn linkage parts however, they WILL NOT eliminate it completely.
You will also need to check the part #31 that Betheviper has mentioned... Part #38 is actually a cotter pin, and irrelevant to your problems
With the mileage your sled has, I also strongly recommend, you inspect parts the following parts as well: #46, #47, #27, #28, #11, assemblies #32 & #34... see diagram below
Any "lateral" movement is not acceptable. These are all "rotational" parts, and should not move any other way than in a circular fashion (with the exception of the rod ends, which will pivot but should not exhibit any "play").
You also need to inspect the following parts for excessive play:
(If you find play in any of these bushings, Ulmer makes great aftermarket parts to replace many of them
...)
tkuss
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
Thanks for the great in-depth answer, I really appreciate it. I will be getting in contact with you shortly here to order your steering post bushings.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
sorry, I ment no 26. Needed more zoom
You are very welcome fella!
I think we as vendors too often forget that some customers may not share with us all of the knowledge, experience, or understanding of their sleds that we have. You just wanna ride... right?
Scott and I are happy to help anyone we can, and hope it makes you feel more comfortable with your mechanical endeavors.
We strive to match our customer service with our parts quality.
Hope to hear from you soon!
I think we as vendors too often forget that some customers may not share with us all of the knowledge, experience, or understanding of their sleds that we have. You just wanna ride... right?
Scott and I are happy to help anyone we can, and hope it makes you feel more comfortable with your mechanical endeavors.
We strive to match our customer service with our parts quality.
Hope to hear from you soon!
