Finally got to put a good 150 miles on my 07 Phazer FX. Guy I bought it from was the same size as me 5' 10" 200 pounds so I left it setup the way he had it. Thought it was tippy at first but maybe I just needed to get use to the more rider forward design since I came over from riding a Cat ZR600. Nope the thing is tippy and I had a hard time getting it to turn for me. Tried standing and sitting - same results. Went off the trail a dozen times. One ski kept lifting and I really had to slow down and muscle it through the turns. What do I need to change. She ate the bumps perfectly - just couldn't rip through the twisties. Do I move the limiter strap, front springs longer or shorter, adjust the clickers? Not sure were to start.
Thanks,
Jeff
Thanks,
Jeff
Isthatahemi
Expert
I ended up shortening the limiter strap to the point I had to drill an extra hole to shorten it more. Then I set the front track spring hard to lighten up the steering and stop it from bottoming. These things are very tippy compared to a ZR. Stiffen up the rear torsion spring to stop the excessive weight transfer. Set-up is key. And don't listen to the BS about leaning, it's a tall tippy sled, but can be much improved. I've done all the usual changes, and this was the only way I could make it handle at full boogy. Good Luck
+1. Didnt drill new holes yet but may end up doing that.I also backed the shock collars all the way off till spring was almost loose with front of sled in air.I am running Custom Axis shocks in rear and was able to back adjusters to full soft without bottoming.This gave me alot of sag and lowered rear of sled.I am going route of trying to be low as possible without bottoming.May require different torsion springs(softer) and a ZPS spring setup for front.Also added a 15mm swaybar from FX Nitro.Work in progress.Not happy yet.Having fun trying things though.
SkyHiFX114
Extreme
i run my suspension tight as i do alot jumping. i dont find it any more tippy then any other " new" sleds that iv had a chance to ride. you really have to ride it agressive like an atv. if you want to help it a little add wider skis. i have CnA pros. also if u look at the spindles where the skis attach there are 2 metal bushings and one is wider then the other. i flipped mine to make it about 1/2 wider then stock. iv never been lost in the twistys on my little five hundo. HAHAHA
barnstormer
Extreme
I will say it is tippy but I found it to be very comfortable tippy. As for cornering you may want to try hitting the brake and get on the throttle at the same time it will push your skies in and then will break the rear loose. Mine seemed to corner like it was on rails when I did this. All the components are at the factory settings. And I'm 6-3 240.
My Freeride track made things totally different especially with the hardpack base we have here.Whats nice is you can watch our a-arms as you are cornering.I noticed when the inside ski lifted the outside one was not being compressed.So it is not the front end at issue here.Maybe wieght of rider is a big factor here since I am only 140lbs.I would like to buy a set of the torsion spring from one of you guys who have too much sag.Might work perfect for me to get back end lower since I am all the way soft on block.I noticed when my dad just sat on it it almost bottomed 220lbs.Only other suspension that I have seen that was that affected by wieght was my M10 I used to have.
BV1
Expert
^^ 140? Your sled must feek like a rocket!
-Steve
-Steve
SRX feels like a rocket.Phazer is deceivingly fast 
Update on suspension settings.I am really happy with it right now.May do a bit more but it actually handles now.
Rear shock Custom Axis
Rear 5 on compression(no rebound adjuster)
Center(stock) preload 2nd position from softest
Torsion spring in soft position
Limiter is 3rd hole from tightest.
Front shocks(GYTR)compression is 5 clicks from all the way in.
Rebound is 3 clicks from all the way out.
Preload is just keeping springretainers from falling out with skis off the ground.
15mm NytroFX swaybar
Freeride track
StudBoy 6"Shapers
140lbs I look for bumps and jumps and cant remember last time I was passed other than by one of my riding buddies if your wondering my ride style.Goal was to also get it to corner better without bottoming or excessive rebound in rough or jumps.
The swaybar worked at very slow speeds.Big difference under 20mph.At higher cornering speeds swaybar was doing nothing since sled was just lifting ski without compressing other.These settings corrected that for me.May try putting limiter in second hole from tight tomorrow.Rebound on ski shocks is critical and makes big differences.Custom Axis rear shock totally corrected the excessive bottoming I had last year if at mid setting on torsion and too little rebound control I had when set at stiffest on torsion.Hope this helps.Not sure how it will work for others without my track and shocks.But might be worth try. Shaping up to be a great season!
Update on suspension settings.I am really happy with it right now.May do a bit more but it actually handles now.
Rear shock Custom Axis
Rear 5 on compression(no rebound adjuster)
Center(stock) preload 2nd position from softest
Torsion spring in soft position
Limiter is 3rd hole from tightest.
Front shocks(GYTR)compression is 5 clicks from all the way in.
Rebound is 3 clicks from all the way out.
Preload is just keeping springretainers from falling out with skis off the ground.
15mm NytroFX swaybar
Freeride track
StudBoy 6"Shapers
140lbs I look for bumps and jumps and cant remember last time I was passed other than by one of my riding buddies if your wondering my ride style.Goal was to also get it to corner better without bottoming or excessive rebound in rough or jumps.
The swaybar worked at very slow speeds.Big difference under 20mph.At higher cornering speeds swaybar was doing nothing since sled was just lifting ski without compressing other.These settings corrected that for me.May try putting limiter in second hole from tight tomorrow.Rebound on ski shocks is critical and makes big differences.Custom Axis rear shock totally corrected the excessive bottoming I had last year if at mid setting on torsion and too little rebound control I had when set at stiffest on torsion.Hope this helps.Not sure how it will work for others without my track and shocks.But might be worth try. Shaping up to be a great season!
Update:You guys probably think I am an idiot for one minute saying everything is great and next saying its way off but thats the way it is.Got to experience most in one day yesterday.Trail conditions were
hardpacked groomed wide open trails=Long way to go in handling here.Steered very hard and when it did would lift ski high every time.
Loose wide open trails=Worked great had to use some body english but very exceptable.
Stutter Bump trails=Get it up to 60 or more and put your feet back to keep your butt about a inch or two off seat its like they arent even there.
Big Bump tight woods=It rocks.Dont think there is a sled made that is as much fun in this type of trail.
When sled is being used as what it was designed for it is awesome.Still intend to work on getting it better but lets face it in those Highspeed Hardpacked groomed trails even if handling were better than anything out there the big motored sleds are still going to leave you in the dust.May need to just forget about this type of trail and when in them just take it easy and enjoy the scenery.None of the bigger motored sleds like SRX,Apex etc. that handle great in groomed hard pack are going to be that far ahead that you wont be able to catch up eventually just keep a nice steady comfortable pace enjoy yourself and when you get to the really rough tight stuff make them beg for mercy
hardpacked groomed wide open trails=Long way to go in handling here.Steered very hard and when it did would lift ski high every time.
Loose wide open trails=Worked great had to use some body english but very exceptable.
Stutter Bump trails=Get it up to 60 or more and put your feet back to keep your butt about a inch or two off seat its like they arent even there.
Big Bump tight woods=It rocks.Dont think there is a sled made that is as much fun in this type of trail.
When sled is being used as what it was designed for it is awesome.Still intend to work on getting it better but lets face it in those Highspeed Hardpacked groomed trails even if handling were better than anything out there the big motored sleds are still going to leave you in the dust.May need to just forget about this type of trail and when in them just take it easy and enjoy the scenery.None of the bigger motored sleds like SRX,Apex etc. that handle great in groomed hard pack are going to be that far ahead that you wont be able to catch up eventually just keep a nice steady comfortable pace enjoy yourself and when you get to the really rough tight stuff make them beg for mercy
LJ 452
TY 4 Stroke God
If you have the stock front shocks (GYT clickers) loosen the spring preload. Lift the front of the sled off the ground, back off the preload until the spring is loose. Do this to both front shocks. Ride the sled, if it bottoms too much try to eliminate that through the clickers, if you can't then increase preload, but try to run the least amount of preload as possible.
Thats done already.Let me put it a different way.If your on a SRX,APEX etc when you see absolutely perfectly groomed packed so tight your finger wont go into the snow 80mph+ trails with nice big turns in the distance you are going to be smiling ear to ear.On the Phazer you are going to be looking at the scenery taking your time or you are going to be very unhappy trying.It is night and day difference and way too far off its just not meant to be unless you are willing to make really radical adjustments that are going to hurt you in other areas.Im not upset just facing the facts.Still get plenty of enjoyment on that type of trail just slower.
yamaluke
Newbie
Check out the tech section on how to stop ski darting, I set up my skis like it says, and not only did it stop the darting, but it really improved the cornering.
Was looking at that.Great info there.
Isthatahemi
Expert
cannondale27 said:
Finally! Someone agrees with me on the tippyness! And yes, in the whoops and rollers on medium speed trails, the phazer is nothing short of amazing. On groomed hardpack, downright tippy! Try adding a hole to the limiter strap to eliminate any slack while sitting & stopped. Makes a HUGE differance. Rear torsions on high helps keep the ski's down.
Closing the tunnel helped a lot too.
Will do.Have noticed limiter is looser than I had it before.Spring must still be settling.I am going to figure out a way to adjust the coupling also.Trying to avoid High setting torsions since I only weigh 140lbs.Converted my center shock to a dual rate setup yesterday.A buddy is going to let me try his SkiDoo skis.Lots to try.Once I get this thing to handle the highspeed stuff.I bet some motor mods will be justified.Snow conditions hugely impact handling of this sled.Tough to make adjustments since a guy is fighting weather and sled use at same time.Not giving up.These are a unique snowmobile well worth taking the effort.
