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I'm new to sport and not into speed. Interested in low speed control and off trail riding.
Have a mtx 700 which is good in low snow conditions and new mtx 162.
My questions are can carbides alone make make steering effort less or negate the need of power steering? There are some excellent threads on the various skis, and flotation. The only problem with floation is getting the mtx 700 on top of the snow, but it like the mtx 162 pushes thru turns.
The 700 has a single carbide on each ski and 162 has duel doolys on the center of each ski.
In reading some have suggested that with bergstrom triple carbides you would not need power steering and it would stop the skis from pushing threw the corners.
Any suggestions or help would be appriciated.
Have a mtx 700 which is good in low snow conditions and new mtx 162.
My questions are can carbides alone make make steering effort less or negate the need of power steering? There are some excellent threads on the various skis, and flotation. The only problem with floation is getting the mtx 700 on top of the snow, but it like the mtx 162 pushes thru turns.
The 700 has a single carbide on each ski and 162 has duel doolys on the center of each ski.
In reading some have suggested that with bergstrom triple carbides you would not need power steering and it would stop the skis from pushing threw the corners.
Any suggestions or help would be appriciated.
dutchie
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i have a mtx 162 , what i did that really improved the steering for me was , shim the ski about a 1/4 inch , i used a small piece of old hyfax , stopped all darting and pushing through turns , easy easy fix
then i also added the OFT steering relocator , now this made the sled a whole new riding machine , much much more enjoyable to steer and handles way better
as for you 700 not getting up easy on the snow , try adding a full belly float plate , i have it on my nytro and they weigh allot for a sled , more then your 700 i would think , mine comes up on top real easy , small drawback is every once in awhile i have to clean out the snow and ice buildup during the day
hope this helps you some
then i also added the OFT steering relocator , now this made the sled a whole new riding machine , much much more enjoyable to steer and handles way better
as for you 700 not getting up easy on the snow , try adding a full belly float plate , i have it on my nytro and they weigh allot for a sled , more then your 700 i would think , mine comes up on top real easy , small drawback is every once in awhile i have to clean out the snow and ice buildup during the day
hope this helps you some
bholmlate
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If you have a new 162 I presume that you have FOX's shocks. try putting some more air in the center shock to lighten the steering effort.Only put +5 lbs in at a time. Carbides will only help on the trail and the reason it pushes through the corners on the trail is you have a 162" track on the back. Never meant to be a trail sled although most of us have to ride some trails once in a while to get back to our favorite playground.
I little wider ski such as the 8' Gen III by simmons and the 8'' powderhound by slydog are good examples of skies that can help in the floatation department. The simmons have a dual keel which will increase steering effort at low speeds on the trail. They both will offer a little better floatation over the OEM ski and both work really well off trail.
I x2 what Dutchie said about shimming the skies up if you are having a darting problem on the trail. However, shimming the skies will slightly increase the tendency to push in corners on trails The Relocater makes a great improvement to the overall feel of the sled. there are a lot of them out there but the OFT relocater is one of the nicer one's on the market. You do pay a little more for it IMO its worth it. It put the handle bars in a more natural riding position. In doing so gives you a little better leverage and decreases steering effort slightly. It is tough to get away from the heavy steering on these sleds becasue the majority of the wieght is over the skies.
If you have a new 162 I presume that you have FOX's shocks. try putting some more air in the center shock to lighten the steering effort.Only put +5 lbs in at a time. Carbides will only help on the trail and the reason it pushes through the corners on the trail is you have a 162" track on the back. Never meant to be a trail sled although most of us have to ride some trails once in a while to get back to our favorite playground.
I little wider ski such as the 8' Gen III by simmons and the 8'' powderhound by slydog are good examples of skies that can help in the floatation department. The simmons have a dual keel which will increase steering effort at low speeds on the trail. They both will offer a little better floatation over the OEM ski and both work really well off trail.
I x2 what Dutchie said about shimming the skies up if you are having a darting problem on the trail. However, shimming the skies will slightly increase the tendency to push in corners on trails The Relocater makes a great improvement to the overall feel of the sled. there are a lot of them out there but the OFT relocater is one of the nicer one's on the market. You do pay a little more for it IMO its worth it. It put the handle bars in a more natural riding position. In doing so gives you a little better leverage and decreases steering effort slightly. It is tough to get away from the heavy steering on these sleds becasue the majority of the wieght is over the skies.
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dutchie, like the shim idea, and thanks.dutchie said:
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bholmlate said:
bholmlate, thanks for details about the leverage of the relocater as I had thought it a waste of time till now. The mtx 162 does have the fox floats it/s an 2011 model. I do plan to buy oft's shid plate and thinking about waiting for short model as it seems most sleds with skid plates seem to build up a lot of snow in front suppension, where as snowmobiles with out in videos do not seem to collect as much snow.
Also have thought about gen 111 ski's as they seem to work very well on the vk pro's which are really heavy working sleds. As I rarely ride on trails is there any real need for carbides at all?
Still thinking about power steering; do you know anyone who has or does this mod for nytro? I do not think weight is the problem; though it is a major topic in this forum. The reason I say this is I have an old 4 door sadan that would out preform most sports cars of its day and for many years after they stop production.
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My issue with my 700 mtx is trenching when there is more than 15 inches of new snow. My error about the front not getting up on the snow; just have problem getting the track up on the snow.
bholmlate
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There is not much use for carbides off trail. They are mainly used to give the skies some bite on the hard trail surface. The plactic skies would not turn at all on packed surfaces with out them. As i mentioned before you do occassionally find yourself on a tral now and then so the carbides are good to have. its just they are less important in fresh snow off trail. I dont think there is anyone running power steering on the mountain version of the nytro. its adds weight and not needed IMO. If you have heavy steering I would look at the setup on the rear skid.
Also a lot of trenching is cause by the approach angle of the track itself, suspension setup of the skid and track in combination. Most people tighten up the limit strap on the front of their skid to decrease the approach angle. Of course by doing this you increase ski pressure ( heaveir steering on trails) it is always a trade off. Most people set their sleds up for where they ride the most and just deal with it everywhere else.
With the relocator i am not really sure how much more leverage you actually gain but it places the handle bars in a more natural and relaxed riding position for your arms. think of it as if your bars were down at your waste verses directly out in fron of you. The steering effort at your waist would seem more awkward and harder to turn then if the bars where out in front of you. The relocator only moves the bars up and forward roughly two inches in both directions. it make a major imporement in how the steering feels. It is one of the best things i have done to my sled.
Good luck
There is not much use for carbides off trail. They are mainly used to give the skies some bite on the hard trail surface. The plactic skies would not turn at all on packed surfaces with out them. As i mentioned before you do occassionally find yourself on a tral now and then so the carbides are good to have. its just they are less important in fresh snow off trail. I dont think there is anyone running power steering on the mountain version of the nytro. its adds weight and not needed IMO. If you have heavy steering I would look at the setup on the rear skid.
Also a lot of trenching is cause by the approach angle of the track itself, suspension setup of the skid and track in combination. Most people tighten up the limit strap on the front of their skid to decrease the approach angle. Of course by doing this you increase ski pressure ( heaveir steering on trails) it is always a trade off. Most people set their sleds up for where they ride the most and just deal with it everywhere else.
With the relocator i am not really sure how much more leverage you actually gain but it places the handle bars in a more natural and relaxed riding position for your arms. think of it as if your bars were down at your waste verses directly out in fron of you. The steering effort at your waist would seem more awkward and harder to turn then if the bars where out in front of you. The relocator only moves the bars up and forward roughly two inches in both directions. it make a major imporement in how the steering feels. It is one of the best things i have done to my sled.
Good luck
