snowsweat
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Just got the latest issue of SnowTech. I am curious as to why such a reputable magazine would publish Skidoo's "Power to Weight" graph without a larger disclaimer.
Here's what is wrong.
1. Compares 2005 RT Mach Z with (I presume) 2003 RX-1. Why not compare the new Mach Z with the old V-Max 4?
2. Does not include rider weight. In my experience, sleds without riders are a bad thing. Add 200 pounds to each sled and the ratio numbers get much closer. Eliminate the Bombardier poetic license and they are closer still.
3. I don't trust Ski-doo's numbers yet. In the action shots of the Mach Z, I think I see titanium springs on the front shocks. These are not production parts according to Skidoo specifications. Is that sled a ringer perhaps?
Having said that, I still think the RT would make an excellent second sled.
Here's what is wrong.
1. Compares 2005 RT Mach Z with (I presume) 2003 RX-1. Why not compare the new Mach Z with the old V-Max 4?
2. Does not include rider weight. In my experience, sleds without riders are a bad thing. Add 200 pounds to each sled and the ratio numbers get much closer. Eliminate the Bombardier poetic license and they are closer still.
3. I don't trust Ski-doo's numbers yet. In the action shots of the Mach Z, I think I see titanium springs on the front shocks. These are not production parts according to Skidoo specifications. Is that sled a ringer perhaps?
Having said that, I still think the RT would make an excellent second sled.
impalapower
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All kinds of unpublished things. Doesn't anyone compare apples to apples?
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No, it's Marketing 101, make your product appear more desirable.impalapower said:
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I hope to own a Mach Z 1000 before winter is over! it will make a nice addition to the RX in the garage 
snowsweat
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My beef is not really with Skidoo. (All the manufacturers exaggerate a bit in the brochures.) I am surprised SnowTech printed the article at all. How hard would it have been to generate a graph using their own numbers from their archives?
JDKRXW
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snowsweat said:
Speaking of archives......... SnowTech should have consulted last year's archived artical on the Redline (I think it was Nov. or Dec. 2003). The current issue totally slams the machine, when last year they had only good things to say about it...... I guess now that there's no chance of adverising revenue from them, they can publish what they really think.
nhrxrider
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Oh, like Yamaha didn't do the same thing before the RX-1 first came out? First Yamaha wouldn't say any real numbers, then once they were cornered, their weight numbers were so far off they must have weighed the sled without an engine! When my buddy first saw one up here at the Sno-Deo, he wanted to lift up the front to see how heavy it was, but the Yamaha rep wouldn't let him do it! He could sit on it, they rode it around, etc., but nobody was allowed to lift the sled. Sure Doo is probably hiding stuff, but who isn't.
Jim
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I would think most knowledgeable sledders can read between the lines of hype from all the OEMs advertisements. :ORC
Yamahnator
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Nhrxrider hit the nail on the head... Yamaha is very tight with their weights... Also the whole 122 mph myth? heh. Don't throw stones if your house is made of glass.
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nhrxrider said:
The reason nobody could attempt to lift the front of the '03 sled at the shows is because the prototypes only had plastic front bumpers (no reiforcement). I watched a guy try to pick one up at the World Expo in West Yellowstone when the rep was distracted. Before he even rot the fron shocks fully unloaded the damn bumber came off in his hand :shock: . Needless to say the rep was not happy. Next day the Bumper had grey duct tape holding the bumper on with a sign stating "Please don't attempt to lift the front of this Snowmobile."
KbxSrx
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lift a ton
I went to one of the same shows, same duct tape warning sticker, so I grabbed the a-arms an lifted it. Was funny as hell, there were 40 other guys that tried, a couple lifted it a couple inches, some limped away, there were many bruised ego's that day.
I went to one of the same shows, same duct tape warning sticker, so I grabbed the a-arms an lifted it. Was funny as hell, there were 40 other guys that tried, a couple lifted it a couple inches, some limped away, there were many bruised ego's that day.
snowsweat
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Yamaha has been rather tight with their numbers concerning the RS and RX line. Too many people buy sleds based on the numbers, and too many magazines rate sleds based on how they worked for the several hundred miles they were ridden. Long term ownership is a harder sell than light weight and big hp numbers for many people.
BTW, does anyone remember when the Viper was introduced? Yamaha claimed it was the same weight as the SX-R 700. Oops.
BTW, does anyone remember when the Viper was introduced? Yamaha claimed it was the same weight as the SX-R 700. Oops.
welterracer
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snowsweat said:
The viper did feel awful light.. compared to the rx-1..
And yamaha was right about it being the big bump champ!!... I COULD HAVE DRIVIN IT OFF A CLIFF AND NOT BOTTOMED THAT THING OUT!! LOL
impalapower
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Snowsweat, the Viper was introduced in '02.
snowsweat
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Thanks Impala. Actually, I was asking more of a rhetorical question but I guess it is hard to type the tone in my voice.
