Superman
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When you guys are talking about turning. Do you mean slow speed turning with the sled flat on the snow? Or do you mean laying her down and dropping your shoulder in the snow? For just normal turning I like the Yami Mtn. ski. I can cut a tight radius with it. I can cut through trees and manuver better than My short track buddies So it's better to Me. As far as running across snow covered meadows and laying her down to turn, again I am happy with the Mtn Ski. It keeps the front end up and the sled turns great for how heavy a sled she is.
I rode NOS-PRO's Attak last weekend and I believe he had the Powderhound slydogs.....I only rode it on the trail but they tracked awesome.
I rode NOS-PRO's Attak last weekend and I believe he had the Powderhound slydogs.....I only rode it on the trail but they tracked awesome.
I (and I believe the others) are talking about turning the handlebars/skis with both skis and the sled flat on the snow. Both slow speed and higher speed. It's a "shallow powder" issue, when there's less than 1-2 feet of fluff, therefore laying the sled on it's side is simply not a feasible option because the base is too close to the surface and the bottom ski can't sink down enough before it hits bottom and weight/wide stance/gravity/swaybar forces the sled to sit flat again.
As for laying the whole sled over when the snow is deep enough to carve the powder...in those situations, I feel the skis work just fine, as all they're doing is providing flotation, not steering.
Hope that explains it better.
This kind of takes me back to when I first got the skis and checked them out, and I was very curious about how shallow the keel was. I wonder if this part of the skis design may be the problem. They're among the shallowest keeled powder skis I've ever seen. Adding the thick Bergstrom Ski Savers adds some keel, so I fear that removing the ski savers would make it worse than it already is...but again I haven't tried it.
I fully agree these Slydogs rail in aggressive turns on the trails like no other ski I've used. I've found them to be nearly impossible to break loose in the packed snow.
As for laying the whole sled over when the snow is deep enough to carve the powder...in those situations, I feel the skis work just fine, as all they're doing is providing flotation, not steering.
Hope that explains it better.
This kind of takes me back to when I first got the skis and checked them out, and I was very curious about how shallow the keel was. I wonder if this part of the skis design may be the problem. They're among the shallowest keeled powder skis I've ever seen. Adding the thick Bergstrom Ski Savers adds some keel, so I fear that removing the ski savers would make it worse than it already is...but again I haven't tried it.
I fully agree these Slydogs rail in aggressive turns on the trails like no other ski I've used. I've found them to be nearly impossible to break loose in the packed snow.
Superman
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That's what I kind of thought you guys were talking about. Then Yes I think My Mtn skis turn really good. But they're all I've really known. When I bought My Attak I knew I wanted a wider ski and buying the bottoms from Yamaha seemed like the cheapest route. Boy are there alot of ski options out there. I've wondered about those shark fin jobs from USI I saw last fall????If anyone tried them?
iasledder
Expert
Can anyone comment on the Slydog trail skis for coming out of ditches up on to the shoulder at about a 45* angle? My stock skis with the Bergstrom Ugly kit, 6" single point, won't hang in there even leaning hard to the up hill-side. Not expecting miracles, but would hate to be worse than stock skis under these conditions.
iasledder, read Shootinstick's comments middle of the first page. He specifically talks about coming out of ditches.
I generally agree with his comments. And yours. The Powderhounds on my Attak don't handle sidehilling out of ditches easily at all...it takes a lot of muscle and forward planning or you'll get sucked right back down into the ditch nose first. BUT...again...I can't fully say I'm convinced it's the skis alone that are causing this problem. The fact that you have a similar complaint with you stockers leads me to cling to my first theory...I still think a lot of the problem is caused by the extreme nose-heaviness of the Attak/Apex sleds. But I can't ignore the possibility that the design of the Slydogs contributes to it. I will say it likely doesn't help it anyway, as I have the same problem you have on such approaches.
Maybe the Yamaha mountain skis would be better. And I think it's important to consider that Studdogs recommendation of front shimming might be a good experiment to try to keep more of the keel level, it might trap more snow which should help them turning in the powder.
But I have to say I've never experienced this rather noticable handling trait on another sled with ANY skis. And I want to remind everyone that I LOVE these skis on the trail...the very best tracking skis I have ever used on a packed trail hands-down.
I generally agree with his comments. And yours. The Powderhounds on my Attak don't handle sidehilling out of ditches easily at all...it takes a lot of muscle and forward planning or you'll get sucked right back down into the ditch nose first. BUT...again...I can't fully say I'm convinced it's the skis alone that are causing this problem. The fact that you have a similar complaint with you stockers leads me to cling to my first theory...I still think a lot of the problem is caused by the extreme nose-heaviness of the Attak/Apex sleds. But I can't ignore the possibility that the design of the Slydogs contributes to it. I will say it likely doesn't help it anyway, as I have the same problem you have on such approaches.
Maybe the Yamaha mountain skis would be better. And I think it's important to consider that Studdogs recommendation of front shimming might be a good experiment to try to keep more of the keel level, it might trap more snow which should help them turning in the powder.
But I have to say I've never experienced this rather noticable handling trait on another sled with ANY skis. And I want to remind everyone that I LOVE these skis on the trail...the very best tracking skis I have ever used on a packed trail hands-down.
dlange
Extreme
attak
mine does the same craze one. But I think its the engine weight doing it, not so much the skis. Mine look great though after over 1800 miles this year
mine does the same craze one. But I think its the engine weight doing it, not so much the skis. Mine look great though after over 1800 miles this year
Shootinstick
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Yep, CrazeOne. you got it exactly right. I'm coming off a '99 Polaris 700 RMK with a 1 1/4" predator track. On that sled I had the the limiter strap pulled way up tight to keep the front end from rising and falling when riding the river. The RMK also has a narrower ski stance. Anyhow, that sled would pull up the ditch with little problem when coming up to approaches. Unfortutnately, motor life with the 2 stroke was limited and I rebuilt it more than a couple times. I love the smoothness and reliability of the Yamaha and the additional power and torque.
On groomed hard pack trails as well as fast river riding it handles well since I pulled the limiter strap up a notch and added the 13mm sway bar. On ice it corners great. It is just in deeper snow (12 to 18" of soft snow) it doesn't want to turn up the ditch. I'm referring to higher speed turns above 45 mph. Our normal ditch riding is 45 to 80 mph with short stints even higher. With this sled, in deeper snow, you better be planning on turning up the ditch about 1/4 mile away or you aren't going to make it. The rise up the ditch is usually only about 40-50 feet but up hill at around 45°. I should say that alot of our riding is also at night so it is hard to tell what is coming up from very far away.
Maybe I am expecting too much from my Attak. I put the Powderhounds on right away new without trying the stock skis after reading on TY about the stock skis not providing enough floatation off traill. As stated befor on this forum. We have good sleds but want better!
On groomed hard pack trails as well as fast river riding it handles well since I pulled the limiter strap up a notch and added the 13mm sway bar. On ice it corners great. It is just in deeper snow (12 to 18" of soft snow) it doesn't want to turn up the ditch. I'm referring to higher speed turns above 45 mph. Our normal ditch riding is 45 to 80 mph with short stints even higher. With this sled, in deeper snow, you better be planning on turning up the ditch about 1/4 mile away or you aren't going to make it. The rise up the ditch is usually only about 40-50 feet but up hill at around 45°. I should say that alot of our riding is also at night so it is hard to tell what is coming up from very far away.
Maybe I am expecting too much from my Attak. I put the Powderhounds on right away new without trying the stock skis after reading on TY about the stock skis not providing enough floatation off traill. As stated befor on this forum. We have good sleds but want better!
studdog
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
I've been reading your posts since I started this thread. I think the problem is the sled not the skis. These Attaks are just not good off trail. Of course, if you tighten up the limiter and lower the front end your making it even worse. Everything in sleds is a compromise you can't set up for fast flat trail ripping and expect mountain sled performance in the ditches. Just my opinion and I could be wrong!
