Tfin
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
The Vector gives an incredibly smooth ride nor do the shocks NEED to be revalved......for most people. Fact.
The reliability and longevity of its engine is quickly becoming legendary. Period.
Hyfax wear....again, apparently a problem for SOME people, not all. I have no issues with mine.
Fuel economy will surely be better on the Vector.
If reliability, longevity and comfort are key for you....go with the Vector.
The reliability and longevity of its engine is quickly becoming legendary. Period.
Hyfax wear....again, apparently a problem for SOME people, not all. I have no issues with mine.
Fuel economy will surely be better on the Vector.
If reliability, longevity and comfort are key for you....go with the Vector.
Mainecabin,
If you are looking into a Vector GT - that model has the Mono shock rear suspension which rides very plush. For the money, I would not replace the mono shock with a M10, the mono works great.
Test drive the Vector GT. I think you will be very happy with the Yamaha
If you are looking into a Vector GT - that model has the Mono shock rear suspension which rides very plush. For the money, I would not replace the mono shock with a M10, the mono works great.
Test drive the Vector GT. I think you will be very happy with the Yamaha
treemax
Veteran
The vector with the pro-active (2005) can be very smooth too if you replace the POS rear shock with an ohlin and set it up right doesn't bottom as easily as the mono either IMO
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
Octane said:
The Poo 600 is their smallblock as has proven to be bulletproof. THe 700 is their bigblock, and has had crank problems. THe 600 makes a bit less hp but is barely noticeable. I had both engines in the past.
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
Tfin said:
Tfin - with all do respect, your undies are blue. The sun would rise in the west if you said to get anything other than the Yamaha.
I based my opinion not only on having owned/rode serious miles on the sleds the guy is looking at but primarily on what he wants out of the sled.
If you guys SERIOUSLY think the Mono offers a better trail cruising ride better than the 128" M10, you take the term "brand biased" into a whole new dimension.
Bakemono
TY 4 Stroke Guru
I cant argue with that.undecided said:
My '01 600 XC has 5300 miles on it and the motor is still running strong. It alway starts on the 2nd pull (yeah, yeah, I gotta start it with the rope, stop laughing), gets 16 mpg on average and still has 120 psi of compression in both cylinders.I had a '99 700 XC and the milage was terrible. I was lucky to get 10 mpg. It really wasnt any faster than the 600 I have now is. (the wonders of variable exhaust valves
)Honestly, I wouldnt even consider a Polaris sled that has a 700 or 800 in it. Terrible milage, crank bearing issues and the power isnt that great either. The 600 is still the way to go, IMO.
BTW, Ive heard of some cases of crank bearing failures on the 600s, but its nowhere near as common as it is on the 700s and 800s.
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
Octane said:I cant argue with that.undecided said:
I had a '99 700 XC and the milage was terrible. I was lucky to get 10 mpg. It really wasnt any faster than the 600 I have now is. (the wonders of variable exhaust valves
Honestly, I wouldnt even consider a Polaris sled that has a 700 or 800 in it. Terrible milage, crank bearing issues and the power isnt that great either. The 600 is still the way to go, IMO.
BTW, Ive heard of some cases of crank bearing failures on the 600s, but its nowhere near as common as it is on the 700s and 800s.
Good points on the motors Octane. 600 smallblock w/VES has good power and torque and gets decent gas mileage. THe M10 drains off some of the gas mileage though.
Poo made a 600 bigblock (like on my 2000 600XC Deluxe) that didn't have VES and was known to be a gas hog like the 700's. THe big block Poo motors were never known to get good gas mileage, and they all had their share of crank issues.
Bakemono
TY 4 Stroke Guru
Yeah, I used to have a '98 600 XC. I loved the torque and sound of that engine, but 12 mpg sucked.
Exhaust valves are worth their weight in gold, IMO. Sure, there is a little bit more maintenace, but I can have the valves on my Polaris out, cleaned and put back in the sled in less than 15 minutes.
Exhaust valves are worth their weight in gold, IMO. Sure, there is a little bit more maintenace, but I can have the valves on my Polaris out, cleaned and put back in the sled in less than 15 minutes.
Arctic Express
Extreme
I had a 01 600 Classic w/M10 and wife a 03 XCSP 500 w/M10 Love the ride of the M10. We are both riding ER's Apex & Vector. Not as a smooth ride but as the M10. Apex classy similar to Nitro with the 1200 motor rides great for me. I like the sitting postion much better. Played with the suspension settings so got it set where it takes the bumps satifactory. The big ones I can easily lift off the seat to miss the jar. I love the gas milage and oil comsuption (zero). If you are a trail rider like me than you will not be displeased with a 4 stroke. Take a look at the Nitro with the 120. Apex has the mid range of a 600-700cc two stroke. Plenty of power and comfortable ride. I Vector rides more of the traditional sit down style riding but has plenty of performance for the trail.
Tfin
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
undecided said:Tfin said:
Tfin - with all do respect, your undies are blue. The sun would rise in the west if you said to get anything other than the Yamaha.
I based my opinion not only on having owned/rode serious miles on the sleds the guy is looking at but primarily on what he wants out of the sled.
If you guys SERIOUSLY think the Mono offers a better trail cruising ride better than the 128" M10, you take the term "brand biased" into a whole new dimension.
Listen, you don't know me from a hole in the ground....so don't presume to, you only make yourself sound foolish......with all due respect of course. 8)
NO, not ALL Vector shocks NEED to be revalved. FACT. Everythings relative, so don't attempt to sway someone with statements based on your personal preferences.
Longevity has been proven on the 120hp three cylinder engine. Now since I'm the type of person that doesn't let my emotions overpower my thinking, I'll conceed that I don't have all the statistics from every Yamaha dealer out there. But I'd be willing to bet dimes to donuts that the number of engine related problems on ALL RS series engines from the last two years is smaller than the number of engine related problems from the Polaris 600 small block in its first two plus years of service.
Nine out of ten hu? Lets see your proven statistics, numbers etc. Maybe nine out of ten people on this web site. I hate to break it to you, but this website (as good as it is) is only a drop in the bucket as far as the number of people out there riding Yamaha sleds. Seriously....stop and think for a moment before you type.
Just because I don't have the time to post here much, doesn't mean that I don't read it from time to time. In that time I can certainly see that you've had some issues with your sled. I can accept that....who couldn't. But just because you have, and you read on an internet forum (where people specifically go to complain) that some others have too, you go into tiraids about how ALL RS series shocks NEED to be revalved, and ALL RS sleds wear through their hyfax prematurely. Whether you want to admit it or not, these simply are not facts. End of story.
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
Tfin said:undecided said:Tfin said:
Tfin - with all do respect, your undies are blue. The sun would rise in the west if you said to get anything other than the Yamaha.
I based my opinion not only on having owned/rode serious miles on the sleds the guy is looking at but primarily on what he wants out of the sled.
If you guys SERIOUSLY think the Mono offers a better trail cruising ride better than the 128" M10, you take the term "brand biased" into a whole new dimension.
Listen, you don't know me from a hole in the ground....so don't presume to, you only make yourself sound foolish......with all due respect of course. 8)
NO, not ALL Vector shocks NEED to be revalved. FACT. Everythings relative, so don't attempt to sway someone with statements based on your personal preferences.
Longevity has been proven on the 120hp three cylinder engine. Now since I'm the type of person that doesn't let my emotions overpower my thinking, I'll conceed that I don't have all the statistics from every Yamaha dealer out there. But I'd be willing to bet dimes to donuts that the number of engine related problems on ALL RS series engines from the last two years is smaller than the number of engine related problems from the Polaris 600 small block in its first two plus years of service.
Nine out of ten hu? Lets see your proven statistics, numbers etc. Maybe nine out of ten people on this web site. I hate to break it to you, but this website (as good as it is) is only a drop in the bucket as far as the number of people out there riding Yamaha sleds. Seriously....stop and think for a moment before you type.
Just because I don't have the time to post here much, doesn't mean that I don't read it from time to time. In that time I can certainly see that you've had some issues with your sled. I can accept that....who couldn't. But just because you have, and you read on an internet forum (where people specifically go to complain) that some others have too, you go into tiraids about how ALL RS series shocks NEED to be revalved, and ALL RS sleds wear through their hyfax prematurely. Whether you want to admit it or not, these simply are not facts. End of story.
You Sir are another prime example of how the Internet makes people think they are bigger/better than they really are. Moderator or not, friend of Tom's or not, it's easy to read thru your Yami blood.
BTW - I really LIKE my sled now!
Tfin
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
To each his own, however I'm not going to attempt to argue with ignorance over the internet. It simply isn't worth my time.
Incidentally, I'm glad to hear you like your sled though.....now.
Incidentally, I'm glad to hear you like your sled though.....now.
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
Tfin said:
Nor is it worth mine....
QCRider
TY 4 Stroke Master
Glad you two got that worked out. For the record, I agree with Tfin. I have not seen excessive hyfax wear or had any problems with shocks on the two Vecotrs I have ridden and ridden with.
Groomerdriver
TY 4 Stroke Master
QCRider said:
QC -- my dealer has two locations...both locations are having problems with excessive hyfax wear complaint s by their customers. THey believe it to be a combination of things.
1. Closed holes in track
2. Track not fully clipped - rubber on plastic is not a good combo
3. 1" wide track window -- too narrow -- wont allow enough snow inside of the track
4. Tracks are set too tight -- run the track as loose as possible.
My track is being fully clipped next Tuesday.
As to the front shocks...it's NOT that there are problems with them, they, like is typical with Yami gas shocks are valved too stiff for your everyday trail rider like me. Most people won't do anything nor complain because they dont know any better. They say to themselves..."this sled ides harsh..next year I'm getting something that rides better"...and that's what they do.
Like I told you b4 (in good fun) that up in QE, you could have a sled withg 4" of suspension and they're ride nice cuz your trails are SO GOOD up there all the time!!!