XTX tipped up rails

[LeeKo]

I have an XTX I am thinking about getting some custom rails. The way I want to make them it may be hard to get the tip-up. Do you guys think the 6 degree tip-up makes a big difference in handling or is it more marketing? Has anybody any experience with straight 144 rails a Nytro?

If you went to straight rails you would likely eliminate the wear spot on the hyfax at the 121" wheels and maybe pick up a little stability.

 

[Daranello]

The best part of the XTX IS the tip up rails....if that's what ya want I'm sure lots of guys would trade ya

 

[ApexRtxGuy]

x2

 

[BoonDock Saint]

x3, my friends say... they want xtx rails after trying out mine

 

[justinator]

I think its mostly marketing unless you ride hard as a rock trails all year. I know up here on groomed trail 100%of my track is on the ground at all times. Park on a plowed road or extreme hardpack and you can see the tipped up part isnt on the ground but we only experience these conditions if we get rain that freezes the trails real hard or spring mornings when it freezes the night before. Put a straight rail and for most conditions I doubt you'll notice much if any difference.

 

[Daranello]

I think its mostly marketing unless you ride hard as a rock trails all year. I know up here on groomed trail 100%of my track is on the ground at all times. Park on a plowed road or extreme hardpack and you can see the tipped up part isnt on the ground but we only experience these conditions if we get rain that freezes the trails real hard or spring mornings when it freezes the night before. Put a straight rail and for most conditions I doubt you'll notice much if any difference.

Sorry I have to respectively disagree with ya...love the tip up rails and I don't believe its marketing

A. Is so fun to jump and Wheely this thing, gas it and it stands on its tip up

B. Under hard breaking your weight shift foward and those rails get out of the snow and the #*$&@ end kicks around just amazingly...

I love this XTX...and there fast with those rails

 

[Blue 4's Rule]

I have to agree with Daranello on this one! I can easily notice the tip up on the rails by sitting on any groomed trail! I feel it makes a difference for sure! Compared to some other long tracks I've ridden, the Nytro never feels long to me at all! Definitely not just marketing!

 

[justinator]

Most of the sleds out there with 144" tracks have larger paddles, that will make a sled tend to behave different. The nytro is very rider forward. Weight is front bias........a 144" 1.25 track will not make this sled feel or act long. I remember reading a post regarding Topgun installing ulmers billet rails and a 144" backcountry track with a 2 or 3 degree kickup and he also mentioned the sled did not feel much different in the twisties and his track is 10times the track of the ripsaw. Take an older sled like the rx-1 that isnt very rider forward and stretch it from a 121-144 and that you'll notice. Install some straight rails and I'd bet you wouldnt notice anything except for extreme hard surfaces like I said earlier.

 

[nate007]

justinator,
Just because the sled doesn't have the rails out of the snow on a groomed trail doesn't mean it's not doing it's job. The tip up rails may merely reduce pressure on the rear of the skid. That is all that is needed to make a difference, and it works great. That is what makes the XTX what it is.

 

[yox185]

justinator,
Just because the sled doesn't have the rails out of the snow on a groomed trail doesn't mean it's not doing it's job. The tip up rails may merely reduce pressure on the rear of the skid. That is all that is needed to make a difference, and it works great. That is what makes the XTX what it is.

Exactly.... Its the same as the limiter strap on the front of the suspension. You don't see (with your eyes) that it makes a difference when you adjust it, but on the snow it increases or decreases pressure affecting the ride.

 

[Alatalo]

If you are getting custom rails, make sure you design them strong enough to avoid this: http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=73078

 

[deanhell]

Tipped rails absolutely make a difference. Have someone else ride your xtx and make a tight turn. Follow on another sled and watch the rear end swing out like a school bus. There is little to no weight on the rear axle so it turns at the beginning of the rail tip (or 121")

 

[justinator]

I'm not saying it doesnt make any difference at all, but its so minor that on most conditions one wouldnt really notice. Polaris had the 144 6 degree tipup switchbacks and then went to a 136 straight rail and when talking to owners they say they dont notice a difference but like the ride better since polaris used a coupled suspension with the 136. I am happy for those who are happy with the tip up. I bought the sled because its a 144, tip up or not.

 

[Daranello]

I'm not saying it doesnt make any difference at all, but its so minor that on most conditions one wouldnt really notice. Polaris had the 144 6 degree tipup switchbacks and then went to a 136 straight rail and when talking to owners they say they dont notice a difference but like the ride better since polaris used a coupled suspension with the 136. I am happy for those who are happy with the tip up. I bought the sled because its a 144, tip up or not.

I think polaris 144 switchback only had 2degree tip ups

 

[Blue 4's Rule]

Bang on Daranello! Polaris only did 2 degrees & that's why it wasn't helpful! Only makes sense to go to 6 and be able to keep the 144 for deep snow!!