XTX Track Change Time

[SXRPILOT]

Time to replace the original Ripsaw. I am sticking with 1.25" lug height and want to know if anyone has tried anything different. I plan to reuse many of the 171 studs in the new track. Any suggestions for a 144", fully clipped, 1.25" lug track?

 

[brs077]

I don't know about on a Nytro, but I had the 144 Ice Attak on my RX Warrior. Anbsolutely loved it. Not quite the 1.25" lug you were looking for, but otherwise a great track if you're not seeking powder too much.

 

[NFLD-Nytro]

Time to replace the original Ripsaw. I am sticking with 1.25" lug height and want to know if anyone has tried anything different. I plan to reuse many of the 171 studs in the new track. Any suggestions for a 144", fully clipped, 1.25" lug track?

I loved the Cobra I had on my SKS 800. Not sure if they're still available.

If not, I'd suggest ANYTHING other than the Ripsaw.

 

[00-NUKE]

Time to replace the original Ripsaw. I am sticking with 1.25" lug height and want to know if anyone has tried anything different. I plan to reuse many of the 171 studs in the new track. Any suggestions for a 144", fully clipped, 1.25" lug track?

I have to ask, WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE own a 144" track and stud it????????? If you ride trails enough to justify studding a track, you should stick with a 121" or 136". Average stud weighs about .069 lbs/31.13g. This means that 171 studs weighs 11.47 lbs. The rotational inertia is 14.33 lbs-m2 you are taking away from your acceleration on the trail along with the added 12lbs of mass that reduces flotation. I would step it up to 1.5 inch lug for off trail or sell it and get a 121. IMO

 

[NFLD-Nytro]

Time to replace the original Ripsaw. I am sticking with 1.25" lug height and want to know if anyone has tried anything different. I plan to reuse many of the 171 studs in the new track. Any suggestions for a 144", fully clipped, 1.25" lug track?

I have to ask, WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE own a 144" track and stud it????????? If you ride trails enough to justify studding a track, you should stick with a 121" or 136". Average stud weighs about .069 lbs/31.13g. This means that 171 studs weighs 11.47 lbs. The rotational inertia is 14.33 lbs-m2 you are taking away from your acceleration on the trail along with the added 12lbs of mass that reduces flotation. I would step it up to 1.5 inch lug for off trail or sell it and get a 121. IMO

So sticking with a 136 it's ok to stud, but if you go with a 144 you shouldn't? That's completely nuts. Just considering that sleds aren't offered with a choice of 136 or 144 makes your advice rather silly, but more importantly, the majority of sled buyers spend quite a bit of time on trails, and if you live anywhere that having a 2" track doesn't make sense, studding probably does. Any acceleration loss you might suffer from the additional weight will be more than made up for by the traction you will gain.

A 144 "crossover" is just that, a compromise. Studding it alters the balance of that compromise, making it much better on the trail with an insubstantial effect off trail.

 

[00-NUKE]

Time to replace the original Ripsaw. I am sticking with 1.25" lug height and want to know if anyone has tried anything different. I plan to reuse many of the 171 studs in the new track. Any suggestions for a 144", fully clipped, 1.25" lug track?

I have to ask, WHY WHY WHY would ANYONE own a 144" track and stud it????????? If you ride trails enough to justify studding a track, you should stick with a 121" or 136". Average stud weighs about .069 lbs/31.13g. This means that 171 studs weighs 11.47 lbs. The rotational inertia is 14.33 lbs-m2 you are taking away from your acceleration on the trail along with the added 12lbs of mass that reduces flotation. I would step it up to 1.5 inch lug for off trail or sell it and get a 121. IMO

So sticking with a 136 it's ok to stud, but if you go with a 144 you shouldn't? That's completely nuts. Just considering that sleds aren't offered with a choice of 136 or 144 makes your advice rather silly, but more importantly, the majority of sled buyers spend quite a bit of time on trails, and if you live anywhere that having a 2" track doesn't make sense, studding probably does. Any acceleration loss you might suffer from the additional weight will be more than made up for by the traction you will gain.

A 144 "crossover" is just that, a compromise. Studding it alters the balance of that compromise, making it much better on the trail with an insubstantial effect off trail.

What do you mean they are not offering sleds in a 136 or 144? This thread is for an XTX, which happes to be a 144. What's rather silly is putting 171 picks into 144" track that only has 121" on the ground and only uses 2/3 of the studs in the trails. Then lets bog it down in the powder as well, Smart! I do agree, a 2" track is silly as well. It's a GOOD THING that's not what I said.

SXRPILOT,
I'm lucky enough to have 2 sleds to cover both trail and off trail. I'm just saying that would rather trail ride with a true 121 and studs. IMO

 

[brs077]

I studded my 144 (and later changed to a pre-studded track) because unless i want to make circles around my back yard after every snow storm, I need to take trails to find powder to play in, trails that are often times exposed to lots of thaw/freeze cycles, too narrow for groomers, etc. I wish I lived someplace where the trails were 10' wide and groomed twice a day so studs wouldn't ever be an issue, but that's just not the case for many of us. and extra 12lbs of track weight is a small price when you're half way up a hill and sliding backward into the guy behind you because you can't get traction.

Someday I'll own a place in sledtopia, till then, I'll happily stud every 144 I own

 

[NFLD-Nytro]

I studded my 144 (and later changed to a pre-studded track) because unless i want to make circles around my back yard after every snow storm, I need to take trails to find powder to play in, trails that are often times exposed to lots of thaw/freeze cycles, too narrow for groomers, etc. I wish I lived someplace where the trails were 10' wide and groomed twice a day so studs wouldn't ever be an issue, but that's just not the case for many of us. and extra 12lbs of track weight is a small price when you're half way up a hill and sliding backward into the guy behind you because you can't get traction.

Someday I'll own a place in sledtopia, till then, I'll happily stud every 144 I own

Bingo! Excellent post. There are advantages to having a 144, but most people still have to live with the reality of typical snow conditions. If you live in a place where having a 1.25" track makes more sense than having a 2" track, then studding makes PERFECT sense.

Telling someone not to stud their crossover, a sled designed for use on and off the trail, is ridiculous.

 

[sledheadgeorge]

Getting back to the original post, I would also like to know what track changes have been done to XTX's I have the same question. Time to change mine out as well and looking for some real world input. Personally I need some studs were I ride so a track change with studs is in the works next season for me.

 

[sgilbert]

my ideal track would be an ice ripper. hopefully 1.5 by then. if studding, would never go over 1.25 and 1/8 over studs, not 1/4.

 

[NFLD-Nytro]

my ideal track would be an ice ripper. hopefully 1.5 by then. if studding, would never go over 1.25 and 1/8 over studs, not 1/4.

That's what I keep saying. I wish the backcountry would come studded like an ice-ripper. That would be the ultimate all-purpose, cross-over, cross country track.

 

[sherlock29]

then make your own studded backcountry..

http://www.carbidetractionproducts.com/ ... &Itemid=53

 

[Nine2Nine]

I'm thinking about the 144" Cobra with a few studs for safety, it has to be better than the ripsaw in deep snow, but will it get the job done in powder. The ripsaw is great for digging holes and racing on hard pack.

 

[raginyamaha]

i went with a 1.5 intense and dont miss my studs at all.. but i dont like riding on ice. if its icy im not riding very hard. the stud screws in the backcountry is an awesome idea.

 

[Yamatario]

Has anyone tried the Camoplast 1 1/2" Crossover?