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Rented a Vector from them many years ago - rode it all the way to hancock and lake of the clouds and back in a day. They'll be fine; they sell hundreds of golf carts a year.

I don't think that makes sense; global sales are pretty consistent since 2010. Sure, not like the 90s but if they were leaving because the market is smaller the are making that decision 14 years too late.

That's what Yamaha told us 20 years ago. since then the two strokes have gotten cleaner; regulatory issues have relaxed. I still wouldn't write off the 2 stroke sled market.

Who picks up the little market share Yamaha had? Do the faithful jump ship to the Doo Turbo's? Does Cat rush a 4 stroke for the Catalyst chassis; maybe with a yamaha motor? Does Polaris turbo or otherwise improve their latest 4 stroke? Or does the 4 stroke market remain small and the buyers...

WOW! Unfortunately sort of expected given the lack of innovation and sales after the 2017 sidewinder; and of course with Cat doing the Catalyst chassis on their own. Will be interesting to see if they keep a motor agreement with Cat.

Well, they pick good suppliers! The 800 Suzuki is reliable. The Yamaha motors of course. Can't recall who the f7 was built by, but it was dominant.

Nothing wrong with the viper - quick and nimble as you say - I spent way too much time with clutch setups trying to get the top end I wanted. But 7 years later, I can't see buying one again. Too many other great sleds out there to try.

Back to the catalyst, seems to me there is only two paths for Yamaha to move forward. Release a new Yamaha designed and engineered chassis alongside the catalyst, or add a 4stroke to it right out of the gate. Waiting a year loses even more sales. It doesn’t need to be a messy divorce, but either...

I'm betting the new big bore is an 880. I was just watching an older snowtrax youtube and they said those rumors were false ; but also specifically said someone leaked info they weren't supposed to. Sounds to me like someone in product development got ahead of themselves in terms of when the...

I find it hard to believe this refreshed 600 in a new chassis is going to take down the 850s. No replacement for displacement. That said, it does look promising - hope Yamaha is trying to shoehorn in a 4stroke! And I agree; with such a prolonged public release some racing would have been a...

I don't doubt that it will feel great after being on the 500 for a couple years - it may even be faster than the Viper was, but I highly doubt Yamaha brings out a Cat clone in blue with a 2 stroke. I know they did on segments of their lineup, I just don't see it on the trail side and not in...

This was easier when I bought an 07 phazer after renting one and my 2014 viper because it was the best 4s on the market at the time. Now, after a failed cat 800 experiment and an enjoyable albeit slow time on a cat rr 4000 ( 80 hp 500 2s) I have no idea where to turn. looking to buy this...

The idea of picking up 12hp at the track would be phenomenal. Did it start that poorly clutched or is the belt drive, motor tweaks and other upgrades really putting this thing close to 80 ho at the track, and ahead of the Polaris 650?

Next time I'll be better prepared, bummed I didn't meet up with the group but we had an adventure anyway! Made it to our campsite later than planned Friday. Somehow we had half the tent poles and zero tent stakes. Back to town to find a dog friendly hotel. Saturday we drove to Marquette to...

We're in! It will be the 5 of us. 2 kids, wife, dog. Camping out of town a ways, will catch you all in the hotel parking lot Sat. morning just let me know what time. Bought a Commander Max this spring and it will be our first time in the UP with it.

I think you're dreaming! Unfortunately it looks like yammi and cat are content being at the bottom of the sled market. Seems to me they will continue to lose buyers to Doo and polaris. When I need my viper replaced and don't want to go to a sidewinder that leaves me choosing between Doo turbo...

So far looks like more of the same. Sidewinders and vipers.

Sidewinder xtx on the Canadian site. Looks like a new single runner ski. New 146 suspension.

I meant the mpi turbo on the vipers. I found a used ECU for sale with the Evo rev limti changed. I thought it was from a mpi turbo sled, but it is actually from a n/a cat 7000.

Can a factory turbo ecu be used on a stock na viper or not?