Bob Miller
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I've noticed on my 04 Warrior that the fuel with 10% Ethanol in it does not run as good as the fuel with 100% gas! I did two trips to Maine this year and I'm running 165 main jets with 4 TPI valves, and in the past when I was running straight gas out of Quebec with the TPI valves all the way open, this engine would run very strong
During these trips to Maine with the 10% Ethanol blend I could not run with the TPI valves open because it would sputter and misfire in the midrange (5-8000 RPM) When I closed the TPI valves it would run better! The Ethanol blend was creating a lean condition, and I was able to test this by opening the Choke while it was sputtering and notice an improovement! When I got back from the trip I drained the gas tank and put some CT gas in it which also has Ethanol and it ran great! So I don't know what's going on with that gas from Maine but the machine definitely does not like it
During these trips to Maine with the 10% Ethanol blend I could not run with the TPI valves open because it would sputter and misfire in the midrange (5-8000 RPM) When I closed the TPI valves it would run better! The Ethanol blend was creating a lean condition, and I was able to test this by opening the Choke while it was sputtering and notice an improovement! When I got back from the trip I drained the gas tank and put some CT gas in it which also has Ethanol and it ran great! So I don't know what's going on with that gas from Maine but the machine definitely does not like it

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the regular gas here is 10% ethanol and so far no problems. the theoretical perfect mixture for straight gas is 14.7 to 1. gas with 10% ethanol the ratio drops to 14.13 to 1. i suspect you are fairly lean in the midrange if its misfiring. mine has run 16 plus to 1 in midrange with no problems, but i have since jetted up. you might also gain performance jetting up from that lean. now that i have an a/f gauge the guesswork is not needed.
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We've had 10% ethanol in Mn. for years. My 05 RX-1 hasn't had any problems running it other than you have to clean the carbs if it sits for a while.
Bob Miller
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It's interesting to note that Yamaha states in the Owners Manual
"Do Not Run More Than A 5% Ethanol Blend"
By the way mine ran on this 10% blend which also might have been somewhat stale, I can see why they make this statement!
"Do Not Run More Than A 5% Ethanol Blend"
By the way mine ran on this 10% blend which also might have been somewhat stale, I can see why they make this statement!
Bob Miller said:I've noticed on my 04 Warrior that the fuel with 10% Ethanol in it does not run as good as the fuel with 100% gas! I did two trips to Maine this year and I'm running 165 main jets with 4 TPI valves, and in the past when I was running straight gas out of Quebec with the TPI valves all the way open, this engine would run very strong![]()
During these trips to Maine with the 10% Ethanol blend I could not run with the TPI valves open because it would sputter and misfire in the midrange (5-8000 RPM) When I closed the TPI valves it would run better! The Ethanol blend was creating a lean condition, and I was able to test this by opening the Choke while it was sputtering and notice an improovement! When I got back from the trip I drained the gas tank and put some CT gas in it which also has Ethanol and it ran great! So I don't know what's going on with that gas from Maine but the machine definitely does not like it![]()
I think you need to clean your jets mine was doing exactly what you describing. Clean all three of them and your problem will go away.
Bob Miller
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Before draining the tank I pulled the carbs apart and they where clean as a whistle, all jets where clean,I put it back together and it still ran like crap
It wasn't until I drained the gas tank and replaced the gas that it started running good again
It wasn't until I drained the gas tank and replaced the gas that it started running good again

The power jets on mine looked clean as well but there was clear smooth stuff caked on them. I needed to scratch it off with a wooden toothpick so look carefully. Once I did that my midrange no power was gone for good.
Bob Miller
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I cleaned all the jets with compressed air, but I held them all up to the light before blowing them out and they where clean. Like I said this did not make ANY difference
It wasn't until I drained the gas completely and put new gas in it that it started running good again
It wasn't until I drained the gas completely and put new gas in it that it started running good again


