2015 LTX Se or XTX Se?

[Studroes144]

I guess I'm just basing my opinion on my bad experience with them on this sled. I ran them on my apex for a year, didn't notice any difference from the standard coil overs, had them on our Phazer and they seemed fine on that, for some reason the procross chassis just does not respond well to them, that's actually one major complaint in ride reviews from people who have ridden sleds back to back with floats vs coil over shocks. I can't say much for the xtx or rtx, but being the ltx is such a planted sled, it's ride quality significantly relys on how well the front shocks work, and the floats just aren't as good on an ltx as the coil over shocks

 

[yamahaguy]

e suspension/shocks in the morning then the evening.
It would never bottom in the morning but would be constantly bottoming on returning in the evening after a full dAy on the sled

The only thing we can all agree on when it comes to shocks is that we all disagree in this department. lol

Come ride with our group for a day and I bet no one mentions "shocks" during the course of the days fun, unless maybe someone breaks one off.......

 

[Studroes144]

I never mentioned suspension on mine until I rode the same identical sled as mine with coil overs and a nice plush rear suspension, my first impression of the viper was it was awesome, which it was and is, but different suspension packages can be a huge benefit to people that are concerned about optimum ride quality

 

[fiddlersgreen]

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The only thing we can all agree on when it comes to shocks is that we all disagree in this department. lol

Come ride with our group for a day and I bet no one mentions "shocks" during the course of the day, unless maybe someone breaks one off.......

Amen brother!!!

The reason there's so much chatter about this stuff is that most of us are itching for a ride and have to be talking sleds to keep our mind content while waiting for that first squeeze of the flipper!!!
Yeeeee haaawwww!!!!!!

 

[TD Max]

What I have researched with the Floats is that you need 2 key things: Kashima coating for the reduction of stiction, and the Evol to tame down the ramping of the spring rate. DSC and rebound control are icing on the cake.

 

[csederlund]

What I have researched with the Floats is that you need 2 key things: Kashima coating for the reduction of stiction, and the Evol to tame down the ramping of the spring rate. DSC and rebound control are icing on the cake.

That's why I ordered the Hygear Dual Pressure Kit, I hope it helps.

 

[Dicker from JP]

Taking an ltx off trail is no problem at all, it won't have the fun factor as the xtx because it's not going to pull the front end and ride with the skis in the air, however in deep snow the ltx gets right out on top of the snow and just floats and you can still basically steer just by pushing down on the running boards. As far as on trail the ltx is awesome, it stays hugged to the trail and you really can fly through corners. Can't speak for the xtx as I've never driven one but I've heard very few complaints on the xtx. On the ltx if you go with an se model you'll get the fox floats which in my opinion kinda hurt the overall performance of the ltx chassis, I've ridden my ltx se back to back with a standard ltx with coil front shocks and the standard sled rode much better, it was much more plush yet handled big bumps every bit as good as my se, also if you were to go with say a brand new ltx dx vs an ltx se, the dx is going to have a much more plush rear suspension, you'll get a taller windshield, heated seat and a nicer storage bag. For 2015 the ltx dx gets my vote! I truely feel it's a sled I could buy and do zero adjustments to anything and love how it rides, where as my ltx se I've swapped out the fox float, had both rear shocks revalved and installed softer torsion springs.

Not what I wanted hear as I opted out of the DX for the SE in hoping for the better suspension package. I ordered the Tall windshield for the brisk days and was pumped up about the fox suspension till I started reading opinions about the differences in comfort. I do a lot of lake running on Simcoe and trails and ditch banging after that and thought I was getting into the latest and greatest thing with this suspension package but now I'm not too sure.

 

[Studroes144]

Well as a word of encouragement I rode my sled 1 full season and I recently sold my fox floats for $350 with 2300 miles on them. I bought a set of brand new take off coil overs for $250. For a person that consistently rides rough trails the floats are good, if trails are consistently smooth they're good too, but I just don't think they have much of a range they cover. The coil overs don't really have a wide range either, however you can set the springs a bit stiffer and they'll still have an initial plush feeling. The floats had an initial jar your brain chatter your teeth feeling. Everyone will disagree on the floats in some way, there's areas they're good, however with the ltx I think it's a poor shock choice.

 

[wavemaster]

Studroes144 - What coil overs did you go with? Do you know the center to center on the XTX SE fronts?

This will be my first sled with the floats and although I am keeping an open mind, I have always preferred the coil over in the past. I like that if you lose your oil you still get home on the spring. Not so with the floats. I also like the adjust-ability of the preload with the spring and the comp/decomp in the valving.

With my NytroXTX I am about 75/25 trail off trail, with the new ViperXTX It will hopefully be 25/75 the other way.

 

[Studroes144]

Studroes144 - What coil overs did you go with? Do you know the center to center on the XTX SE fronts?

This will be my first sled with the floats and although I am keeping an open mind, I have always preferred the coil over in the past. I like that if you lose your oil you still get home on the spring. Not so with the floats. I also like the adjust-ability of the preload with the spring and the comp/decomp in the valving.

With my NytroXTX I am about 75/25 trail off trail, with the new ViperXTX It will hopefully be 25/75 the other way.

Mine are the stock coil overs that come on the 2014 viper ltx. Rtx, ltx and xtx all use same length shocks I believe, if I remember right the eye to eye measurement is 18.75" or right in that range. For anyone looking to swap out front shocks I'd suggest buying fox zero pro shocks specific to the procross chassis and getting them valved properly, you shouldn't have a problem selling a set of floats and getting a great coil over setup and not have to spend any extra money. That was my initial plan but I got a lead on shocks I bought, I got them off a member on here.

 

[Nytros rule]

It depends entirely on what you know not think you will be rideing.
If you will be rideing on trail most of the time and fire (balls to the wall) go with the LTX.
You can track up and run off trail extremely well and still be very trail compliant.
If you ride off trail most of the time can stand some understeer when you are on trail you will love the XTX.

 

[stingray719]

Not what I wanted hear as I opted out of the DX for the SE in hoping for the better suspension package. I ordered the Tall windshield for the brisk days and was pumped up about the fox suspension till I started reading opinions about the differences in comfort. I do a lot of lake running on Simcoe and trails and ditch banging after that and thought I was getting into the latest and greatest thing with this suspension package but now I'm not too sure.

Try the floats, I liked them on both my 2014 M8 and our XTX Vipers. NOS-PRO and I both have XTX sleds that ride like a big couch on the rough stuff, so much softer than an Apex or a RX1 you cannot even compare them with a straight face. Floats set up right do not "rattle your teeth" if set up correctly. I can say though that if you have a very stiff rear skid and soft front (floats) yeah that would not handle well at all. But with floats front and rear I want nothing else. Anybody put a float in the rear and see if it makes there sled ride like an XTX?

NOW, that being said you may like spring shocks for cornering and such I am not arguing that....just tired of hearing floats do not work.

 

[Yamadog]

What I have researched with the Floats is that you need 2 key things: Kashima coating for the reduction of stiction, and the Evol to tame down the ramping of the spring rate. DSC and rebound control are icing on the cake.

Well I ran an intire season on the Evol rc'2 and hated the fact that I was chasing them all season. They were temperature dependant and at 8 am and 20 below vs 3 in the afternoon and 10 above they would beat the daylights out of my wrists. with 4 caps to remove and all the tools to change the dampening and rebound it was a nightmare to keep up with them. In the orning when the snow has set in the cold and dark all night it rail in the corners then the snow would loosed up and temps rose the pressure increased (which I checked and verified at least 10 times) and I would develop an impossible push and the front was so stiff that when I would hit a plow berm at a rod crossing it would hit it like a brick. The rear shock would bottom out at 100 lbs badly was ok at 110 and at 120 launch me over the handle bars on a rutted trail.

As a side note - when I parked the sled this spring there was 120#'s in both resevior tubes and 65#'s in the main tubes. when I took them off to replace thm Monday night The left shock had 0 #'s in the resevior and 15 in the main tube and the right shock had 100 #'s in the resevior and 50 in the main tube.

 

[Studroes144]

My floats fluctuated in pressure terrible as well, they could be set at say 65 psi, the next day if the temp changed I could have one at 75 and the other somehow lost air and would be lower. I had it happen multiple times where 1 shock would lose pressure somehow but it was one or the other, never was the same shock every time. Yes I prolly had something faulty in the shocks, but for a company like fox, that shouldn't be an issue, but it was.

 

[sk-rx1]

My floats fluctuated in pressure terrible as well, they could be set at say 65 psi, the next day if the temp changed I could have one at 75 and the other somehow lost air and would be lower. I had it happen multiple times where 1 shock would lose pressure somehow but it was one or the other, never was the same shock every time. Yes I prolly had something faulty in the shocks, but for a company like fox, that shouldn't be an issue, but it was.

Never had any leakage issues on my Floats on my Apex SE or Viper. that said I switched my Viper RTX-SE over to the factory coil overs and am much happier. Also had the rear shock revalved, pretty much what Studroes did. If I was going 2015 it would be a DX.