Buyer beware...

[nate007]

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?p=908361#908361

 

[shadow44]

That's crazy Nate, hope you get it resolved.

 

[nate007]

Yeah, thanks. It's pretty disheartening after that much work, time, passion and money to get something done, that the trust isn't always there to rely on. Found the same seller had a couple other of my product lines pirated as well, and even went as far as blocking my business username from buying on my own product! They list no phone number, no address, and only an email that cant be traced..

All I have to say is Karma comes back around..

I can only hope that anyone who reads these threads knows that this is just like anything else many TY members create, -its purely by enthusiasts, for the enthusiasts. There isn't anyone else with permission to sell any of my products at this time, and if anyone else sees this or anyone else's hard work for sale at ridiculously low prices, please report it. These pirates don't have any knowledge of the product, they create a cheap and low quality knock-off copy, and have no idea what it takes to install. They don't offer any of the other parts/pieces needed to complete the installation, and won't be able to offer ANY service after the sale. The other pieces needed to finish my system are only produced by either myself or other TY members, and I am very proud to involve other members, and network with others who share the interest in the sport. Loyalty to other members is important to me, and many other members of the TY family, and I can only ask for the same from those who find anyone stealing the hard work of ANY member, weather it's a sled product, or any other effort.
There are those looking to make a quick buck, and honesty and integrity seems to be a thing of the past for some.. Sorry for the sermon, I'm just furious over the ghost pirate(s).

 

[Nine2Nine]

Yeah, thanks. It's pretty disheartening after that much work, time, passion and money to get something done, that the trust isn't always there to rely on. Found the same seller had a couple other of my product lines pirated as well, and even went as far as blocking my business username from buying on my own product! They list no phone number, no address, and only an email that cant be traced..

All I have to say is Karma comes back around..

I can only hope that anyone who reads these threads knows that this is just like anything else many TY members create, -its purely by enthusiasts, for the enthusiasts. There isn't anyone else with permission to sell any of my products at this time, and if anyone else sees this or anyone else's hard work for sale at ridiculously low prices, please report it. These pirates don't have any knowledge of the product, they create a cheap and low quality knock-off copy, and have no idea what it takes to install. They don't offer any of the other parts/pieces needed to complete the installation, and won't be able to offer ANY service after the sale. The other pieces needed to finish my system are only produced by either myself or other TY members, and I am very proud to involve other members, and network with others who share the interest in the sport. Loyalty to other members is important to me, and many other members of the TY family, and I can only ask for the same from those who find anyone stealing the hard work of ANY member, weather it's a sled product, or any other effort.
There are those looking to make a quick buck, and honesty and integrity seems to be a thing of the past for some.. Sorry for the sermon, I'm just furious over the ghost pirate(s).

I work in sales of a lot propitiatory products and for what it is worth this happens everyday " BUT " they do fade away and people come back to quality and service. Keep doing what you are doing and you should be fine.

PS: I can't find info on your products or the knock offs.

 

[bottlerocket]

Fleebay in the nytro fx section.

 

[nate007]

Be careful. They have no idea what they have, what it needs to be complete, and assuming they have copies of the rejects, they aren't going to even bolt up to the sled without cutting and welding. I've been dealing with this all weekend so far, and found many other instances of the same goup of people ripping off peoples stuff to make a quick buck, only to have them disappear when everybody tries to return them. I've already followed one shadow company who had them listed for a couple days, and when I contacted them, the ad, the company, and everything else disappeared, and popped up elsewhere. They have no address, no phone number, no listing in their state business registry, and have went as far as editing the pirated video after it was changed to alert for fraud. They can run, but they can't hide.
Sound's like this is going to turn into an ugly game a Whack a Mole....

 

[Super Sled]

I'm sorry about this, dude. I'd take a real hard look St your suppliers -- this guys not making copies of your exhaust himself. He must have an inside guy at your supplier's company and somehow makes a second production "run" to get his hands on these. How reputable is your supplier? Will they gobyo vat for you to identify the guy pirating your exhausts?

 

[furg69]

Copy cat System ???

Just seen a exhaust system posted on ebay, looks like a scam as the post gives no HP gain specs, claims to be the full system and stainless steel for just 200 bucks EEffff

 

[nate007]

I guess if you see sled stuff coming from Florida or North Carolina you could probably be fairly certain they're not sled people...
I wonder how they'd respond to a bunch of tough tech questions....
If anyone ever questions the legitimacy of my products, or whether they're genuine or not, you can bet I'll be prepared with the ability to answer even the toughest questions..
I'm getting closer to the source of the problem, thanks everyone for your support, and I do hope nobody gets burned by these clowns.