Canadian buying a sled in New York state

[bobbrousseau]

Quote***I also don't understand how he can have both the Certificate of Origin and a Non-Transferable registration, and have the vehicle been previously registered in NY State. NYS issues a Transferable Reg. for snowmobiles to utilize as the ownership paperwork. I would imagine if it was BRAND NEW, it may just have the certificate of ownership from Yamaha for the initial registration process, but that goes to NYS DMV, and you don't get to keep the original on that. I just bought a new sled trailer from R&R Trailer, built in Michigan, and that came w/ the certificate of origin, but upon the initial registering of the trailer, DMV took the Cert. of Origin, gave me a NON-Transferable Reg.(Due to the weight) and I subsequently received a Title a few weeks later from DMV. Every state does things a little bit differently. Is this a new sled AND from a dealer, or a private deal. If private deal, something seems amiss to me, IF it was registered in NYS.[/quote]

The guy is from Mass but he registered the sled in NYS for some reason. I just text him asking him to take a pic of the CoO. I am waiting. Do you have an idea why he has nontransferable registration? Would that be because the sled has a lien on it?

 

[hamrtyme]

Go to RIV.ca it will tell you all of the proper documentaion you need. when in doubt call the border crossing your importing through and they will help you, also don't forget to have the proper paperwork to usa customs as they inspect it before the canadian customs at the same border crossing 72 hours before you bring it across to avoid delays because they go by the book no exceptions.

Not entirely true.

Because you do not physically drive the snowmobile across borders the US does not really care if you export it correctly or not. Keep on driving.... I called Sarnia and Detroit crossings and they basically said the same thing. I have imported 2 snowmobiles and have not had an issue bringing them back into the US. Call them to make sure, it will give you peace of mind. Follow the RIV and you will be fine.

USA customs on there website state to have the paperwork to them 72 hours before, i have imported into Canada numerous cars, trucks and snowmobiles and they will not at our border crossing let you do anything before 72 hours, maybe different at yours?

 

[02ViperMody44]

The guy is from Mass but he registered the sled in NYS for some reason. I just text him asking him to take a pic of the CoO. I am waiting. Do you have an idea why he has nontransferable registration? Would that be because the sled has a lien on it?[/quote]

My only opinion would be that the owner has a secondary/camp residence in NYS, (where he mainly keeps/rides his sled), and when registering for the first time and ownership reasons, DMV asks for your primary residence, mainly for tax purposes as for the county of residence there are different tax rates. I'll assume, since his primary residence is out of state, NY State will not issue a NY State transferable registration, but instead a Non-Transferable registration, and that is why he falls under whatever Mass.'s ownership policies are, which may include retaining the Cert. Of Origin. Also, in NYS, if it is just a registration for ownership, it does not matter if there is a lien or not, as it is not reflected on a registration, but would be on a NYS Title, if one was issued.
Good luck

 

[bobbrousseau]

Thanks, that helps! I am starting to understand the system!

 

[bobbrousseau]

Here is the registration

 

[burgerbone]

It looks the same as the one I got with my Phazer when I imported it from New York State.

As long as it is in his name it should be good and not say a leasing company.

 

[bobbrousseau]

It looks the same as the one I got with my Phazer when I imported it from New York State.

As long as it is in his name it should be good and not say a leasing company.

Look carefully, this one says non transferable.

 

[Roadrider]

The reg. is non transferable. It also expires. The ownership does not.

 

[02ViperMody44]

I'll assume that the original info. on the REGISTRATION had a Mass. address? He also probably has Mass. paperwork showing the actual ownership, that would probably be necessary to transfer the sled's ownership. As it states on the copy of the NY REGISTRATION I put in my previous post.

 

[Daranello]

Go to RIV.ca it will tell you all of the proper documentaion you need. when in doubt call the border crossing your importing through and they will help you, also don't forget to have the proper paperwork to usa customs as they inspect it before the canadian customs at the same border crossing 72 hours before you bring it across to avoid delays because they go by the book no exceptions.

Not entirely true.

Because you do not physically drive the snowmobile across borders the US does not really care if you export it correctly or not. Keep on driving.... I called Sarnia and Detroit crossings and they basically said the same thing. I have imported 2 snowmobiles and have not had an issue bringing them back into the US. Call them to make sure, it will give you peace of mind. Follow the RIV and you will be fine.

USA customs on there website state to have the paperwork to them 72 hours before, i have imported into Canada numerous cars, trucks and snowmobiles and they will not at our border crossing let you do anything before 72 hours, maybe different at yours?

I've imported 7 sleds, 2 RzR, 1 boat and 1 trailer. Never ever have I did the 72hour thing. Just drive accross

 

[nbsledder]

Go to RIV.ca it will tell you all of the proper documentaion you need. when in doubt call the border crossing your importing through and they will help you, also don't forget to have the proper paperwork to usa customs as they inspect it before the canadian customs at the same border crossing 72 hours before you bring it across to avoid delays because they go by the book no exceptions.

Not entirely true.

Because you do not physically drive the snowmobile across borders the US does not really care if you export it correctly or not. Keep on driving.... I called Sarnia and Detroit crossings and they basically said the same thing. I have imported 2 snowmobiles and have not had an issue bringing them back into the US. Call them to make sure, it will give you peace of mind. Follow the RIV and you will be fine.

USA customs on there website state to have the paperwork to them 72 hours before, i have imported into Canada numerous cars, trucks and snowmobiles and they will not at our border crossing let you do anything before 72 hours, maybe different at yours?

I've imported 7 sleds, 2 RzR, 1 boat and 1 trailer. Never ever have I did the 72hour thing. Just drive accross

I was told you don't have to do the 72 thing ....but you can;t ever bring it back into the states.

 

[Riceburner]

I believe you are correct.

No good for us if we want to go to Maine & ride as we must register in Maine to ride. I'm sending it in 72 hours before and stopping. Took 5 minutes the last time.

Talked to US customs yesterday. For Sleds, only a registration is fine now. No need for title or MSO in non titled states. They just want an official document with the make, model & serial # so they can clear it.

 

[Mooseman]

I did a bunch of research on this last year and what I found is that each US crossing is different. Some accept faxes of the registration, some accept mail, and others are absolute dicks where you have to bring the paperwork by hand 72 hours before taking it out of the US. Apparently this is to ensure there are no liens on it and mark it as exported. On the Canadian side, I have heard that they either don't care about the US side's "stamp of approval" or they will make you turn around and make you go back to get that stamp, and then you have to deal with a PO'd US border agent and then look for some place to store the sled for 72 hours. And most also don't accept the paperwork outside of normal working hours or on weekends.

Apparently, Ogdensburg and Massena are the worst. No fax, no mail, no weekends, normal hours only. For the Canadian side (Prescott and Cornwall), heard both extremes. Heard that they will turn you around but recently a friend just bought a sled, didn't do the 72 hour thing and the Canadian border agents didn't care about it.

You will need the title/registration or whatever is used for proof of ownership in the State you buy it from, a bill of sale and a letter from Yamaha stating that all recalls have been done. You can get that later but recommend getting the seller to get it for you. www.RIV.ca will have all the info required and you can also call them for more info.

 

[hamrtyme]

its not the canadians that are worried about the 72 hours its the usa but who cares if were talking numbers i've imported hundreds of vehicles from the states and we have to have the paperwork there at usa customs for 72hrs, if yours is less awesome.

here is the link

http://www.riv.ca/USCustoms.aspx

 

[couch]

Unless you plan on bringing the sled back to the US at a later date (repairs / rides), then just drive to the Cdn border and give them your paperwork, pay the gst and be on your merry way. Have brought back bikes, cars, boats, sleds and have never stopped in to US customs! If you are importing for resale or are a professional transport company then I would suggest following protocol exactly as specified / required.