morrisond
Expert
Sorry should have put it here
Please keep in mind this pertains to riding on Groomed trails only. Off trail get an stock XTX and be happy (but if your off trail that much you really should get an Nytro XTX as it's probably a better boondocker).
With EPS able to overcome the extra effort of turning a straight rail 144 I see no benefit and several downside to tipped up rails on the XTX for the trail rider.
Yamaha says that the XTX turns like a 121 on trail, bridges bumps like a 136 and floats like a 144. I would add but stops like a 121 and accelerates somewhere in between 121-136.
The downside of tipped up rails is that you don't get as good traction as straight rails, and your braking isn't as good, and you don't bridge the bumps as well. I would actually prefer a 136 Straight over tipped 144.
I want 144 inches of acceleration, braking and bridging.
In anticipation of an 144 Apex this year I took a 4 stroke Venture I have put a seat lift and wide front end on it as an experiment and have been riding that to see how I like 144 straight rails. Even without EPS the thing turns great, it doesn't need tipped up rails. I can see the Nytro needed them as they are so hard to turn, but not Deltabox Sleds.
Without modding, I'm guessing the 128 is the better choice as it should stop a little better, accelerate about the same and even though not as long the mono should be a better ride so no worse in the rough stuff. It works pretty well, but with EPS I think you can go longer.
So the choice is put straight rails on the 144 - Possible Nextech will build Carbon rails that will work - but pricey at $1,400, I haven't talked to MPI yet but they may be able to do something in Billet, not sure about strength though.
Or Stretch the Mono - The upside is you can start with the SE(and get it in black) so you have Floats all around. The simple change is to use Yammie 136 rails to get 136, extensions to 144, or Nextech will build Custom 144" rails but again $1,400.
Thoughts? Does anybody have any idea how the Mono works stretched out to 144?
Please keep in mind this pertains to riding on Groomed trails only. Off trail get an stock XTX and be happy (but if your off trail that much you really should get an Nytro XTX as it's probably a better boondocker).
With EPS able to overcome the extra effort of turning a straight rail 144 I see no benefit and several downside to tipped up rails on the XTX for the trail rider.
Yamaha says that the XTX turns like a 121 on trail, bridges bumps like a 136 and floats like a 144. I would add but stops like a 121 and accelerates somewhere in between 121-136.
The downside of tipped up rails is that you don't get as good traction as straight rails, and your braking isn't as good, and you don't bridge the bumps as well. I would actually prefer a 136 Straight over tipped 144.
I want 144 inches of acceleration, braking and bridging.
In anticipation of an 144 Apex this year I took a 4 stroke Venture I have put a seat lift and wide front end on it as an experiment and have been riding that to see how I like 144 straight rails. Even without EPS the thing turns great, it doesn't need tipped up rails. I can see the Nytro needed them as they are so hard to turn, but not Deltabox Sleds.
Without modding, I'm guessing the 128 is the better choice as it should stop a little better, accelerate about the same and even though not as long the mono should be a better ride so no worse in the rough stuff. It works pretty well, but with EPS I think you can go longer.
So the choice is put straight rails on the 144 - Possible Nextech will build Carbon rails that will work - but pricey at $1,400, I haven't talked to MPI yet but they may be able to do something in Billet, not sure about strength though.
Or Stretch the Mono - The upside is you can start with the SE(and get it in black) so you have Floats all around. The simple change is to use Yammie 136 rails to get 136, extensions to 144, or Nextech will build Custom 144" rails but again $1,400.
Thoughts? Does anybody have any idea how the Mono works stretched out to 144?
Well I can tell you in the stock setup the Nytro XTX does not work as they advertise. It does handle on the trail as good or better than the 121's but off trai it is geared way to high and will not spin the track in deeper stuff. iIn 1 day we burnt 2 belts on my buddies 2010. There is the need to revisit the clutching and the gearing on the sled. And if you swap out to a larger lug track for boondocking it will be worse.
I cannot see why they did not put a tip up rail on the Apex XTX it only makes sense because it is not a mountain sled and barely a marginal boondocker - so why abandone the marketing of the last 3 yrs telling how great the 144" tip up is.
I cannot see why they did not put a tip up rail on the Apex XTX it only makes sense because it is not a mountain sled and barely a marginal boondocker - so why abandone the marketing of the last 3 yrs telling how great the 144" tip up is.
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Yamadog said:
It *DOES* have tipped up rails. And that is what this thread is about.. morrisond is complaining that it SHOULD NOT have tipped up rails.
Sorry I went on yamaha site and watched all promos and it never mentions tipped rails. Even on the spec sheet it says 144 but nothing about tipped up. The pics don't even appear t
Tipped up.
Sorry I missed the unveiling I have been in da yooper sledding
Tipped up.
Sorry I missed the unveiling I have been in da yooper sledding
