MadMax
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First off I tried to save time.. "NOT" smart.. I have an oil pit in my garage.. And months ago I measured to see if I could drive the sled over the end of the pit to change my oil.. No problem right.. Well the truck was over it and the sled was on my trailer.. You get the idea.. So I did it on the trailer.. Didn't go that smoothly..I bought a $5.00 filter wrench to help.. Didn't fit 
So I drove home and got my very old rusted adjustable one I've had for 35 years.. It fit "YIPPIE" Got it off.. Didn't notice that the rubber "O" ring stayed on the engine... After 5 minutes of screwing around trying to put the new one on I noticed it.. Hey this thing fits nice "NOW" Took 1 1/2 hours... Next time I'll move the truck... 30 minutes tops.. Of course I did the track and primary chain adjustments at the same time.. Saved $150.00 bucks and the hassle of the dealer.. MM.
So I drove home and got my very old rusted adjustable one I've had for 35 years.. It fit "YIPPIE" Got it off.. Didn't notice that the rubber "O" ring stayed on the engine... After 5 minutes of screwing around trying to put the new one on I noticed it.. Hey this thing fits nice "NOW" Took 1 1/2 hours... Next time I'll move the truck... 30 minutes tops.. Of course I did the track and primary chain adjustments at the same time.. Saved $150.00 bucks and the hassle of the dealer.. MM.
Ground Blizzard
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Hey MM, I feel your pain!! To bad you missed my earlier post
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: Don't let this happen to you.
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Or maybe the subject should be "don't be as stupid as me"!! Did my first oil/chaincase change today and it's kind of a bitch. Not so much the process as the sloppy wet floor I had to work in. I had finished double checking everything, started it up to check for leaks...none . Went to get the mail (1.5miles rt) backed out of the garage looking for oil...none . Got the mail and followed the same trail back when I started to notice a pretty good trail of brown in the snow just then the oil light comes on . Hoisted it back up and there was oil everywhere . I had done everything right, compared the oil filter #'s, lubed the seal and tightened to spec. I found that the oil was squirting out around the oil filter seal and yet it was plenty tight. I picked-up the old filter to compare #'s...yep they matched, then it hit me, where is the rubber seal...STILL ONE THE SLED . All better now time to ride!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: Don't let this happen to you.
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Or maybe the subject should be "don't be as stupid as me"!! Did my first oil/chaincase change today and it's kind of a bitch. Not so much the process as the sloppy wet floor I had to work in. I had finished double checking everything, started it up to check for leaks...none . Went to get the mail (1.5miles rt) backed out of the garage looking for oil...none . Got the mail and followed the same trail back when I started to notice a pretty good trail of brown in the snow
just then the oil light comes on . Hoisted it back up and there was oil everywhere . I had done everything right, compared the oil filter #'s, lubed the seal and tightened to spec. I found that the oil was squirting out around the oil filter seal and yet it was plenty tight. I picked-up the old filter to compare #'s...yep they matched, then it hit me, where is the rubber seal...STILL ONE THE SLED . All better now time to ride!!!
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Yep, you saved me the pain Toys-R-Us, I read the post. 
YaMon
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Thanks for the tip, I know I will look for the seal stuck to the block. Don't forget to lube the new seal before putting the filter back on. Appently Yamaha doesn't lube it first.
impalapower
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YaMon said:
No filter manufacturer lubes the seal first. Dab some oil on your finger and wet down the seal.
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I think he means Yamaha doesn't lube the filter during assembly because the seal is sticking to the block. I can't argue as mine was stuck pretty hard and really didn't come off easy.impalapower said:
100% agree on wetting that seal though.
YaMon
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I am sure that no filter manufacturer lubes the seal. To my knowledge Yamaha does not make the filter, but they should lube it prior to installing it.
twomorestrokes
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only one problem.
I always lube the new seal by putting it up against the oily seal on the old filter. This serves two purposes besides lubing. It also is a way to verify that the old seal came off with the filter and also verifies that the new filter is the correct size. However, after the one post, I made doubly sure! I also made the mistake of double sealing on a Mustang many years ago during my stint at the dealerships.
After watching an oil change on my friend's 04 RX1, I see that the RS setup is much more user friendly. My main bi*ch is that the supplies cost 55.00 with the 4 qts, filter and a tube of low temp grease. That's nuts.
I always lube the new seal by putting it up against the oily seal on the old filter. This serves two purposes besides lubing. It also is a way to verify that the old seal came off with the filter and also verifies that the new filter is the correct size. However, after the one post, I made doubly sure! I also made the mistake of double sealing on a Mustang many years ago during my stint at the dealerships.
After watching an oil change on my friend's 04 RX1, I see that the RS setup is much more user friendly. My main bi*ch is that the supplies cost 55.00 with the 4 qts, filter and a tube of low temp grease. That's nuts.
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Re: only one problem.
Or one could just use some suitable aftermarket oil, grease and filter to lower the infrequent maintenance cost on their $10,000 machine that only gets used periodically during 3 months out of the year.
Why do we even bother?
(Yes, I'm ticked off because I couldn't go riding this past weekend) :cry:
The 0W30 comes in liters now so you don't have to break into that 4th quart to do a proper oil change.twomorestrokes said:
Or one could just use some suitable aftermarket oil, grease and filter to lower the infrequent maintenance cost on their $10,000 machine that only gets used periodically during 3 months out of the year.
Why do we even bother?
(Yes, I'm ticked off because I couldn't go riding this past weekend) :cry:
impalapower
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Re: only one problem.
I got 5 quarts of oil and a Yamaha filter for $35. No greas though. I wanted to get the Wix filter and forgot the part number, the parts counter wasn't any help.
twomorestrokes said:
I got 5 quarts of oil and a Yamaha filter for $35. No greas though. I wanted to get the Wix filter and forgot the part number, the parts counter wasn't any help.
twomorestrokes
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Re: only one problem.
Sounds like your dealer treats you the way you should be treated. Mine does too (Nelson's) but unfortunately they are an hour and a half away.
The giant new "superstore" that is within walking distance from work in Lansing treats me like crap, and I am constantly kicking myself for even going in there. Reminds me of why I don't buy sleds there. They make money off me because they are too darn convenient. They tell me 6.95 a quart one day and turn around and charge over 8.00 a quart, 15.00 for the filter, and 6.00 for the low temp grease. Can't blame anyone but myself I guess, because I keep going back for more...
impalapower said:
Sounds like your dealer treats you the way you should be treated. Mine does too (Nelson's) but unfortunately they are an hour and a half away.
The giant new "superstore" that is within walking distance from work in Lansing treats me like crap, and I am constantly kicking myself for even going in there. Reminds me of why I don't buy sleds there. They make money off me because they are too darn convenient. They tell me 6.95 a quart one day and turn around and charge over 8.00 a quart, 15.00 for the filter, and 6.00 for the low temp grease. Can't blame anyone but myself I guess, because I keep going back for more...
Tfin
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My dealer is charging $5.75 per quart, and $14.75 for the filter. I thought that was a little high to say the least.
RSRAGER
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Best advice: Bring it to your dealer. It's worth the extra money. If they screw up anything they have to come good for it!
YaMon
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But sometimes it is easier and faster to do it yourself, not always less expensive though
twomorestrokes
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huh?
Good point, but it would be very tough to haul mine 1 1/2 hours to my dealer for an oil change. It would probably involve dropping it off too, which would mean 6 hours of total drive time during the work week, which would also mean unpaid time away from work. Besides, after 2 decades in the automotive repair business, I know that they are just as apt to make a mistake as I am, and if they made the double gasket mistake, it would just mean another 3 hours of drive time. I'm more comfortable doing it myself.
What's the going rate for a dealer doing an L.O.F. on these things anyway?
Good point, but it would be very tough to haul mine 1 1/2 hours to my dealer for an oil change. It would probably involve dropping it off too, which would mean 6 hours of total drive time during the work week, which would also mean unpaid time away from work. Besides, after 2 decades in the automotive repair business, I know that they are just as apt to make a mistake as I am, and if they made the double gasket mistake, it would just mean another 3 hours of drive time. I'm more comfortable doing it myself.
What's the going rate for a dealer doing an L.O.F. on these things anyway?
