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I have owned my 06 apex rtx since new and put over 13000 miles on it.
it has been a great sled with very few major issues that kept me from riding.
I would say I am a fairly aggressive trail rider but I am getting older (47) and have found that the apex is beating me up more and more after a day of riding rough trails.
I have been waiting for an apex replacement but from what I see it just isn't going to happen any time soon
I finally gave in and bit the bullet and bought a 2014 viper rtx.
this past saturday I had a chance to put 130 miles on the viper.
my first impression is that these 2 sleds could not be more different. which is exactly what I was expecting.
the apex has a 1.25 ice ripper track, HID lighting, simmons flexi skis with dual shaper bar 4"carbides, usi triple threat skis with 6"shapre bar carbides. ( I swap skis dependent on conditions) 2 inch bar riser, 2"foam added to the seat, hygear revavled front air shocks with the add air rez chambers. a revalved mega float in the rear.
while I still love this sled to death it can be a handful when the trails get rough.
The seating position simply cripples me after a long day on rough trails. on flat groomed trails the apex really shines, and I belive that it leads the pack in performance as a flat groomed trail sled but I bought an rtx model apex because I truly believed at that time it was a rough trail capable sled.
ive spent a lot of time and money to get my apex to where it is now and am hanging on to it just incase things don't work out on the new sled.
the new sled is a 2014 viper rtx. (I specifically picked an rtx because I feel I am an aggressive trail rider that rides rough trails.)
the viper is bone stock nothing added with stock ski carbides
The viper is tall compared to the apex. real tall. I feel very high off the ground.
the sled feels very narrow compared to the apex.
the seating position on the viper is absolutely perfect. I have rode a nytro and a 1200 doo and this feels way way more comfortable. I am very happy with this seating position.
the seat feels very firm but not so firm that your butt will be sore after a long day. I am very happy with the seat.
fit and finish.
the apex fit and finish in my opinion is first class. everything lines up nice and looks like it belongs there.
the viper fit and finish is in my opinion of poor quality. panels don't appear to fit properly.
every torx screw already appears to be chipping paint or whatever plating is on them.
the storage bag is a complete joke. totally worthless and riveted to the tunnel
the seat latch/bolt assy looks like an afterthought.
my gauge assembly appears to be loose and I can actually see it shaking as the sled idles
there is a black plastic screw holding a side panel in place that does not line up properly with the mating piece and came stripped out from the dealer.
But, stand back and look at the viper beside the apex and it becomes clear the viper is a sick looking machine. I though my apex was a good looking sled but it looks like a red headed stepchild beside the viper
the controls for the apex visually appear to be a higher quality they just look better made.
I prefer the adjustable hand and thumb warmers of the apex over the viper, but the viper hand warmers work with any modifications or aftermarket kits
The ride.
apex - like I said earlier. I've done a lot to get my apex where it is now and I am in love with it on groomed trails but when the trails get beat up it is an exhausting (but fun) ride
the mono skid will never be a big bump skid.
on pavement the apex does not steer. I have to pull and push and get off and drag it where I want it to go. unfortunately I am on pavement more that I would like to be.
on the trails I have different skis for different trail conditions but use the Simmons most of the time and feel this sled goes right where I point it. I feel like I sit in and am a part of the apex
Viper- on pavement, the sled turns on a dime and goes where you point it. very impressive compared to the apex
on the trails, I only rode groomed trails with a lot of loose snow on them so far but I felt the sled was darting and jerking at low speeds. it felt very squirrelly when letting off the gas quick.
almost like the engine braking was causing the track to skid. when coming up to intersections I was wrestling the bars to keep the sled from darting onto the other side of the trail.
at speed the sled felt more stable and easier to control.
I feel high and tippy on the viper, yet when I look down I never see any ski lift, the sled stays planted in the corners. I am thinking I just need to give this some time and get used to being up higher and a different ski or carbide combo might resolve the darting.
the suspension
the 06 apex never was and never will be a rough trail sled. this sled will kick the crap out of you or suspension parts will break it you push it through the rough stuff. I know I have broken rails and multiple broken rear suspension components to show for it.
I need 2 Percocet and a nap after a rough trail ride on the apex
the viper suspension is incredible. front shocks were at 65 psi and never once came close to bottoming. (I am thinking about dropping the air pressure to 55 and giving them a try.
the rear of this sled just soaks up the big stuff. its stiff, but it eats up bumps incredible. just what I hoped it would do!!
but I get a feeling from the sound and the ride that the track does not roll free. it really feels like something is weird in the rear track/suspension that is kind of dragging or slowing the sled. I cant explain it but I definitely feel it.
I believe I can ride this sled all day long through any type of trail conditions and I will still have some life left in me to enjoy a few in the bar later that night
the sound.
apex - idles pretty loud and in my opinion is the best sounding sled on snow.the apex is a loud sled exhaust wise. you hear the exhaust note every time you hit the throttle and I love that!
in my opinion the sound of the motor helps to make it feel like you are going faster than you are. the rest of the sled is pretty quiet. I don't hear a lot of track noise. but like everyone else I do get the exhaust drone at certain rpm's. annoying.
viper. idles pretty quiet and exhaust sounds better than the nytro but not as nasty as an apex.
when riding the viper there's a lot of noise going on.
the motor seems loud, the exhaust seems loud, the drivetrain makes a hell of a racket.
its going to take a bit of getting used to. I let a loyal cat friend ride the viper and he agreed it was loud.
the power
apex. this motor rocks. it pulls and pulls and pulls. I cant say enough good things about the apex motor. I want it in my sled, lawnmower, quad, weed whacker. this motor just flat out rocks!
viper- some people are not going to agree but this motor feels like a real dog to me.
my title says 94 hp and I believe it. there's no way possible this motor is putting out 130 hp
The word disappointment would be an understatement.
my dealer is telling me it wont break 85 mph till I hit the 4-500 mile mark then it comes alive.
I hope this is true because right now I am doing all I can to stay with the pack.
overall.
I am still on the fence about my choice of buying a viper. I like the ride and I know I can work the kinks out of the darting issues and believe the suspension is everything I ever dreamed of in a sled. but the power. my god, 1 ride and I already miss the power of my apex.
this was really my biggest fear going into this and it is killing me right now.
if this sled does not start producing more power after the 4-500 mile mark like the dealer said it would, it will probably go up for sale.
I have ridden a nytro and I knew I was buying a lesser powered sled but this was not what I expected, at all.
I have no interest in turbos or superchargers. just want a turn key sled that can keep up with my buddies 1200 doo and nytro.
obviously this is just my opinion so take it for what its worth and compare it to others.
there was not a ton of comparisons between apex/vipers so I am hoping this helps any one looking to swap from an apex.
feel free to post comments or questions.
I would love to compare some notes with other apex riders, or even viper riders about what they think or what works for them.
it has been a great sled with very few major issues that kept me from riding.
I would say I am a fairly aggressive trail rider but I am getting older (47) and have found that the apex is beating me up more and more after a day of riding rough trails.
I have been waiting for an apex replacement but from what I see it just isn't going to happen any time soon
I finally gave in and bit the bullet and bought a 2014 viper rtx.
this past saturday I had a chance to put 130 miles on the viper.
my first impression is that these 2 sleds could not be more different. which is exactly what I was expecting.
the apex has a 1.25 ice ripper track, HID lighting, simmons flexi skis with dual shaper bar 4"carbides, usi triple threat skis with 6"shapre bar carbides. ( I swap skis dependent on conditions) 2 inch bar riser, 2"foam added to the seat, hygear revavled front air shocks with the add air rez chambers. a revalved mega float in the rear.
while I still love this sled to death it can be a handful when the trails get rough.
The seating position simply cripples me after a long day on rough trails. on flat groomed trails the apex really shines, and I belive that it leads the pack in performance as a flat groomed trail sled but I bought an rtx model apex because I truly believed at that time it was a rough trail capable sled.
ive spent a lot of time and money to get my apex to where it is now and am hanging on to it just incase things don't work out on the new sled.
the new sled is a 2014 viper rtx. (I specifically picked an rtx because I feel I am an aggressive trail rider that rides rough trails.)
the viper is bone stock nothing added with stock ski carbides
The viper is tall compared to the apex. real tall. I feel very high off the ground.
the sled feels very narrow compared to the apex.
the seating position on the viper is absolutely perfect. I have rode a nytro and a 1200 doo and this feels way way more comfortable. I am very happy with this seating position.
the seat feels very firm but not so firm that your butt will be sore after a long day. I am very happy with the seat.
fit and finish.
the apex fit and finish in my opinion is first class. everything lines up nice and looks like it belongs there.
the viper fit and finish is in my opinion of poor quality. panels don't appear to fit properly.
every torx screw already appears to be chipping paint or whatever plating is on them.
the storage bag is a complete joke. totally worthless and riveted to the tunnel
the seat latch/bolt assy looks like an afterthought.
my gauge assembly appears to be loose and I can actually see it shaking as the sled idles
there is a black plastic screw holding a side panel in place that does not line up properly with the mating piece and came stripped out from the dealer.
But, stand back and look at the viper beside the apex and it becomes clear the viper is a sick looking machine. I though my apex was a good looking sled but it looks like a red headed stepchild beside the viper
the controls for the apex visually appear to be a higher quality they just look better made.
I prefer the adjustable hand and thumb warmers of the apex over the viper, but the viper hand warmers work with any modifications or aftermarket kits
The ride.
apex - like I said earlier. I've done a lot to get my apex where it is now and I am in love with it on groomed trails but when the trails get beat up it is an exhausting (but fun) ride
the mono skid will never be a big bump skid.
on pavement the apex does not steer. I have to pull and push and get off and drag it where I want it to go. unfortunately I am on pavement more that I would like to be.
on the trails I have different skis for different trail conditions but use the Simmons most of the time and feel this sled goes right where I point it. I feel like I sit in and am a part of the apex
Viper- on pavement, the sled turns on a dime and goes where you point it. very impressive compared to the apex
on the trails, I only rode groomed trails with a lot of loose snow on them so far but I felt the sled was darting and jerking at low speeds. it felt very squirrelly when letting off the gas quick.
almost like the engine braking was causing the track to skid. when coming up to intersections I was wrestling the bars to keep the sled from darting onto the other side of the trail.
at speed the sled felt more stable and easier to control.
I feel high and tippy on the viper, yet when I look down I never see any ski lift, the sled stays planted in the corners. I am thinking I just need to give this some time and get used to being up higher and a different ski or carbide combo might resolve the darting.
the suspension
the 06 apex never was and never will be a rough trail sled. this sled will kick the crap out of you or suspension parts will break it you push it through the rough stuff. I know I have broken rails and multiple broken rear suspension components to show for it.
I need 2 Percocet and a nap after a rough trail ride on the apex
the viper suspension is incredible. front shocks were at 65 psi and never once came close to bottoming. (I am thinking about dropping the air pressure to 55 and giving them a try.
the rear of this sled just soaks up the big stuff. its stiff, but it eats up bumps incredible. just what I hoped it would do!!
but I get a feeling from the sound and the ride that the track does not roll free. it really feels like something is weird in the rear track/suspension that is kind of dragging or slowing the sled. I cant explain it but I definitely feel it.
I believe I can ride this sled all day long through any type of trail conditions and I will still have some life left in me to enjoy a few in the bar later that night
the sound.
apex - idles pretty loud and in my opinion is the best sounding sled on snow.the apex is a loud sled exhaust wise. you hear the exhaust note every time you hit the throttle and I love that!
in my opinion the sound of the motor helps to make it feel like you are going faster than you are. the rest of the sled is pretty quiet. I don't hear a lot of track noise. but like everyone else I do get the exhaust drone at certain rpm's. annoying.
viper. idles pretty quiet and exhaust sounds better than the nytro but not as nasty as an apex.
when riding the viper there's a lot of noise going on.
the motor seems loud, the exhaust seems loud, the drivetrain makes a hell of a racket.
its going to take a bit of getting used to. I let a loyal cat friend ride the viper and he agreed it was loud.
the power
apex. this motor rocks. it pulls and pulls and pulls. I cant say enough good things about the apex motor. I want it in my sled, lawnmower, quad, weed whacker. this motor just flat out rocks!
viper- some people are not going to agree but this motor feels like a real dog to me.
my title says 94 hp and I believe it. there's no way possible this motor is putting out 130 hp
The word disappointment would be an understatement.
my dealer is telling me it wont break 85 mph till I hit the 4-500 mile mark then it comes alive.
I hope this is true because right now I am doing all I can to stay with the pack.
overall.
I am still on the fence about my choice of buying a viper. I like the ride and I know I can work the kinks out of the darting issues and believe the suspension is everything I ever dreamed of in a sled. but the power. my god, 1 ride and I already miss the power of my apex.
this was really my biggest fear going into this and it is killing me right now.
if this sled does not start producing more power after the 4-500 mile mark like the dealer said it would, it will probably go up for sale.
I have ridden a nytro and I knew I was buying a lesser powered sled but this was not what I expected, at all.
I have no interest in turbos or superchargers. just want a turn key sled that can keep up with my buddies 1200 doo and nytro.
obviously this is just my opinion so take it for what its worth and compare it to others.
there was not a ton of comparisons between apex/vipers so I am hoping this helps any one looking to swap from an apex.
feel free to post comments or questions.
I would love to compare some notes with other apex riders, or even viper riders about what they think or what works for them.
duste
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Nice write up and very fair. I am on the fence with the new Viper, I have a 07 Attak and would like to try the Viper. I am nervous with the first year sleds as I had a new 06 Apex and I had every issue they were known for. Losing that arm ripping torque I have now and going to a lower power sled would be difficult but like you I ride aggressively and the ride of the Attak is it's weak point. I am disappointed with what I have heard regarding fit and finish, this has always been Yamaha's strong point, nobody comes close to Yamaha build quality so reading it is not as good as normal is an issue for me. I went looking for just this type of opinion to get a feel for the differences. I haven't heard of too many mechanical issues except for a reverse recall. Thanks for the write up.
tator
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i came form an 06 apex rtx. which had intake, clutch, headers, pipe, and programer. i have ridden alot of nytros and thought i could live with the power loss. when i first got the viper in november i was so excited and couldnt wait for the snow to come. the first ride killed every thought i had about this sled being what i wanted. stock anyways. every ride after the sled got stronger and stronger. there is alot to gain in the first 500 miles. with that said i still wanted a sled to compete with 800 sleds and stock this sled will not. there is hp to gain through clutching and slide drag. mostly clutching. with extra wheels on the skid and changing to the 8dn belt and some clutch adjustments the sled will do 94 constantly but lacks power after 80. still missing the apex power but have a much lighter, better handling sled i tried to be happy but couldnt. looked at headers, pipe, pcv, and intake to make this sled 145 hp and much snappier and it would be about 1700 bucks. then the turbo deals came out for 2900. now a big dilemma. well i went with the turbo. did it myself. and wow. now the sled is more than what i ever wanted and i am completely happy. but have 15g into it. stock this sled on trail after break in will run with the nytro and doo 1200 but top end is lacking to beat them in a race across the lake you will take 3rd.
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To be honest. i thought the fit and finish thing would be a bigger issue for me.
It is no where near the yamaha norm but my main desire was a better ride with good power.
As i said, the ride is there, this thing has a great suspension so i am willing to overlook some of the minor issues like fit and finish.
I have not yet pulled off any side panels or even really given it a good looking over so im sure there will be more that i like/dislike.
My advise to you would be to ride one. Even if it is not broke in yet. Im pretty sure You will know if its for you after 1 ride.
I never got the opportunity to ride one.
My 2 choices were 1200 doo and viper. I went viper.
I plan to give this sled a fair shake and dont want to come off as too negative because there are some real great things about this sled, but right now a big part of me wishes i went doo1200.
I will get a better feel for it and more miles on it next weekend but dont think i will hit that 4-500 mile mark this year so i really wont know what i have any time soon
To be honest. i thought the fit and finish thing would be a bigger issue for me.
It is no where near the yamaha norm but my main desire was a better ride with good power.
As i said, the ride is there, this thing has a great suspension so i am willing to overlook some of the minor issues like fit and finish.
I have not yet pulled off any side panels or even really given it a good looking over so im sure there will be more that i like/dislike.
My advise to you would be to ride one. Even if it is not broke in yet. Im pretty sure You will know if its for you after 1 ride.
I never got the opportunity to ride one.
My 2 choices were 1200 doo and viper. I went viper.
I plan to give this sled a fair shake and dont want to come off as too negative because there are some real great things about this sled, but right now a big part of me wishes i went doo1200.
I will get a better feel for it and more miles on it next weekend but dont think i will hit that 4-500 mile mark this year so i really wont know what i have any time soon
RTX
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Im married and while my wife is awesome and allows me to go away all winter without her and purchase a new sled.
I dont believe she is going to respond well to the idea of a turbo.
If anything she probably wants me to slow the xxxx down. Lol
Im happy to hear you reaffirm what the dealer said about it waking up after 4-500 miles.
A quick question for you. I have not seen a lot written about this but Do you find yours is loud? Mine makes a hell of a racket and im wondering if its worth sending my dealer on a wild goose chase or if its normal.
Thanks
Im married and while my wife is awesome and allows me to go away all winter without her and purchase a new sled.
I dont believe she is going to respond well to the idea of a turbo.
If anything she probably wants me to slow the xxxx down. Lol
Im happy to hear you reaffirm what the dealer said about it waking up after 4-500 miles.
A quick question for you. I have not seen a lot written about this but Do you find yours is loud? Mine makes a hell of a racket and im wondering if its worth sending my dealer on a wild goose chase or if its normal.
Thanks
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They are having a demo day next week with 3 different Vipers and I plan on going to try one. A friend just went from a 144 Apex to a Viper and he runs pretty hard so I will know soon what to think. SKi Doo is NOT an option, I have a real hate-on for them.
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Duste
I feel the same about the doo but right now my biggest concern is my back not my brand. Lol
Forgot to mention in my original post.
Im seeing a ton of dust in the left footwell and the brakes often squeal.
The dust has me wondering if i have clutch/belt issues.
Im currently reading the 8dn belt post. 30 something pages is keeping me busy lol
I feel the same about the doo but right now my biggest concern is my back not my brand. Lol
Forgot to mention in my original post.
Im seeing a ton of dust in the left footwell and the brakes often squeal.
The dust has me wondering if i have clutch/belt issues.
Im currently reading the 8dn belt post. 30 something pages is keeping me busy lol
fourload
TY 4 Stroke Master
I just got rid of my beloved 06 Apex GT a few weeks ago too and I went a different route. I went with a leftover 13 XTX Nytro and couldn't be happier especially considering the price difference. After riding the Vipers during the demo days and riding my friends 14 LTX Viper I walked away with almost the same impressions as you(I am 51 but still can rip it up at times too!!). The Viper rides very good when set up but darts and is very jumpy from side to side.The 13 Nytro has standard tuner skis with almost no darting and the steering is fairly easy too (Yes this is a Nytro). The Viper is also very slow on top end compared to the Nytro XTX(107 vs 98 with the DN belt side by side). The Nytro also gets it out of the hole every time. It just feels more responsive and powerful when you ride them back to back. I do believe that the Viper next year with the tuner skis and hopefully with some clutching and gearing will run as well as the Nytro. I know it has a superior suspension but it just didn't do it for me. My wife loves the new orange 15 Viper that is in my dealer's showroom now so eventually I will probably own one. Just hope they work all the bugs out and up the fit and finish some!!
stingray719
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Viper has a serious clutch issue. Now that our Viper is right it blows away my RX1 and is faster than my old Apex and stock Nytro has no chance. But I agree in stock form the power is pretty sad on the Viper. Hope one day you get to ride a Viper set up the way it should have came...they are awesome when right.
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I kept my apex. I really love it and could not part with it.
Too soon for me.
I have a few different sets of skis that i can try on the viper
I have pilot 6.9
Simmons and usi tripple threats.
I just have to get some time and figure out what i need to get them to fit the viper
Part of the fun will be trying the different skis and seeing what works to cure the darting
I kept my apex. I really love it and could not part with it.
Too soon for me.
I have a few different sets of skis that i can try on the viper
I have pilot 6.9
Simmons and usi tripple threats.
I just have to get some time and figure out what i need to get them to fit the viper
Part of the fun will be trying the different skis and seeing what works to cure the darting
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Im not a quitter never have been.
I will ride it this year and see what happens.
This sled has big potential, i see that its just apparent right now there is an issue.
Reading the 8dn post and might try that.
I guess right now i just need to ride it and get comfortable with it. Once i get more miles and better understand whats going on i can address clutching and belts and track rolling resistance.
I rode all day in a little bit of a snow storm on a new sled.
Could not even see where i was going never mind look at rpm's and stuff.
Lol
Im not a quitter never have been.
I will ride it this year and see what happens.
This sled has big potential, i see that its just apparent right now there is an issue.
Reading the 8dn post and might try that.
I guess right now i just need to ride it and get comfortable with it. Once i get more miles and better understand whats going on i can address clutching and belts and track rolling resistance.
I rode all day in a little bit of a snow storm on a new sled.
Could not even see where i was going never mind look at rpm's and stuff.
Lol
fourload
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RTX, I saw my Apex on our lake yesterday and felt a little sad but found out from my dealer who I traded it to that the guy who purchased it really likes it and can't believe how fast it is. He had an old RX1. I am glad he is enjoying my years of constant improvements. Whatever the sled is the best part to me is making the sled great for me. I love tinkering!!
rrxx-1
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Not to be a dink, but the nytro motor will always be much less power wise than an apex motor. The sled you wanted, a rough trail bump sled, and big power was a f1100 turbo sno pro. You went half way to the cat dark side, but not all the way. I know I just went there. After having a rx1, apex and now a nytro for 5 years. I will be keeping my nytro as it is a fun sled, but this cat has got a good ride and mega power. I had thoughts of a new viper last year, but just knew it wasn't going to perform as well power wise as my nytro, and I always wanted a little more power, lol.
tator
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there is normal YAMAHA clutch noise and the exhaust is a little louder than you would think stock would be. but other than that havent noticed any odd noise unless the chain is to tight and then it wines and is noticeable. other than those sounds it should be smooth. might want to read the muffler falling apart thread but those seem to be happening between 1500 and 2000 miles.RTX said:
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As i stated i rode a nytro and knew full well what the power differences between the 2 are.
I was fully prepared for a step down in power but
My viper does not have the same power as a nytro.
Maybe it will eventually but right now it don't.
If i can get it to run like a nytro i will be fine but at the moment it does not which is upsetting.
Im a yamaha guy, always will be.
While it seems every sled has some issues, there are lots more issues with the turbo cats than i care tobe involved with
I wish you the best with yours but like you said, im only willing to go halfway to the dark side. Lol
20 pages of reading into the 8dn post and im wondering if my issues are belt related. If they are, then my issue is an easy fix.
As i stated i rode a nytro and knew full well what the power differences between the 2 are.
I was fully prepared for a step down in power but
My viper does not have the same power as a nytro.
Maybe it will eventually but right now it don't.
If i can get it to run like a nytro i will be fine but at the moment it does not which is upsetting.
Im a yamaha guy, always will be.
While it seems every sled has some issues, there are lots more issues with the turbo cats than i care tobe involved with
I wish you the best with yours but like you said, im only willing to go halfway to the dark side. Lol
20 pages of reading into the 8dn post and im wondering if my issues are belt related. If they are, then my issue is an easy fix.
