I was board today, so I thought I would remove my swaybar to see what effect it has on handling. It wasn't hard to take off at all. took about 30 minutes to do. I haven't rode it yet maybe next week some time. Most of the snow at my house has melted. I'll probably go up to Boonville (Tug Hill area.) next week and try it. I will let every one know what I find out. Till then has anyone tried this?
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I remove mine when I race snow cross most trail riding you will want it back on for or handling becomes an issue
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My buddy removed his on his MTX.
He has been riding Ski Doo prior. Our first trip out and being in 2 feet of powder, he rolled it on its side 3 times in 10 minutes. He wasn't aware of how different the Nytros are from a 2 stroke.
Seems once they start to come past a certain point of roll they will come hard the rest of the way.
He since then put his sway bar back in.
We mostly ride in the mountains.
I am undecided whether or not to remove it yet, after watching his ordeal.
hehe
I would leave it in for trail riding.
He has been riding Ski Doo prior. Our first trip out and being in 2 feet of powder, he rolled it on its side 3 times in 10 minutes. He wasn't aware of how different the Nytros are from a 2 stroke.
Seems once they start to come past a certain point of roll they will come hard the rest of the way.
He since then put his sway bar back in.
We mostly ride in the mountains.
I am undecided whether or not to remove it yet, after watching his ordeal.
hehe
I would leave it in for trail riding.
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I guess the best way I can put it is when I race snocross I take it out when I race cross country I put it back on. When we race CC its hard ditch riding and launching driveway approaches at race speed so even during that I have the sway bar in.
I am aware that you have to run more preload (pressure) in the font shocks. The trails I ride are pretty rough. I think this set up will let the front suspention work better. besides I hate smooth trails. thats why I ride on Tug Hill. Smith road area espeically. (HA HA HA)
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vetmxer said:
CC trails are real rough to trust me work with your stock suspension tuning with the sway bar in and you will be much happier
I understand what you are saying yam177. I just want to try it for myself. I don't mind monkying with the suspension. It seems to work good with it in. I just want to try somthing diffrent. Besides, with all the adjustment the Nytro SE has maybe there will be somthing that will work for me. If not. I can put it back in. I have an oil change coming up. Ill be in that area anyway.
Why do you remove the bar for snowcross?
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vetmxer said:
We have alot of of camber landings and uneven take offs. It results in an instant "off" if you come down from 10 feet on one ski the sway bar preloads and quickly snaps back throwing you off the sled. Not to mention we have big berms we can slam into to corner. allowing us to run hard into the corner with a lighter spring rate than without the sway bar.
Kinda the reason I wanted to try my sled with out a swaybar.
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off camber landings for most aggressive trail/race is not an issue. Maining its the big holes we land and come out of that creates the issue. Some of the fast flat snocross tracks I run with it in so I can tuck the inside line to pass.
Like I said you can try it I am just telling you because we don't run it in snocross doesn't mean there is a performance advantage on the trail or cc racing
Like I said you can try it I am just telling you because we don't run it in snocross doesn't mean there is a performance advantage on the trail or cc racing
You wrote that you run your shocks softer w/o the bar. What about going stiffer? (in incroments) Won't this help control roll? (going stiffer.) Have you ever seen Tug Hill when it gets rough? they don't call it Bump Hill for nothing. And yes I know it's not as bad as a snowcross track but I bet it can compare to cross country course sometimes. Miles of 2/3 foot whoops. Anyone from upstate NY would agree.
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I did most of last season on my -08 RTX 40th without swaybar. I did not ride my -09 SE yet, but the sway bar is already removed because this will be my starting point.
I use this combined with relatively stiff, linear front springs at low preload (28 N/mm at zero preload). If you use softer springs with more preload, you will likely end up with a higher center of gravity, more body roll and possibly a slower steering response.
My impression is that the FX Nytro sway bar is not very stiff, because the difference between the shocks and springs that work with swaybar and the ones that work without swaybar is not very big.
After removing the sway bar, I found no disadvantages at all. The advantages are (except for the ones already mentioned by yam177) major improvements in front end stability when going across extremely bumpy surfaces, on straights as well as in corners.
I use this combined with relatively stiff, linear front springs at low preload (28 N/mm at zero preload). If you use softer springs with more preload, you will likely end up with a higher center of gravity, more body roll and possibly a slower steering response.
My impression is that the FX Nytro sway bar is not very stiff, because the difference between the shocks and springs that work with swaybar and the ones that work without swaybar is not very big.
After removing the sway bar, I found no disadvantages at all. The advantages are (except for the ones already mentioned by yam177) major improvements in front end stability when going across extremely bumpy surfaces, on straights as well as in corners.
I appreciate both of your responces.(Alatalo and yam177)I will preceed with caution. Thanks
Have either of you or know of anyone using air shocks like the floatX or the evol. Is that why the evol has an extra air chamber? more air spring-less preload. Quads seem to have good luck with the evol. Some information on this would be helpful.
