How is the Nytro MTX SE working out in the steep and deep?

[Frostbite]

Has anyone really got a change to wring this sled out in the steep and deep yet?

Is the sled able to pull the 162" track fairly easily? Would a 16" be better?

How does it compare to previous versions of the Nytro Mountain?

How does it work compared to some of the two strokes out there?

Can you notice it feels lighter than previous four stroke mountain sleds?

Does the sled need to be boosted to be considered "competitive"?

I know it's a little early but, would you buy this sled again?

Thanks for any information you can provide.

Frosty

 

[Climbmax]

http://www.sledshot.com/video_gallery.php

Check the Dec 18th vid......Golden deep. Aaron has been a "doo guy" for the past several years.....hes loving it.
Positive comments from the others who have bucked up to the 2010 as well. It is a completely different sled.
RS

 

[Mountaintech]

Re: How is the Nytro MTX SE working out in the steep and dee

Has anyone really got a change to wring this sled out in the steep and deep yet?

Is the sled able to pull the 162" track fairly easily? Would a 16" be better?

How does it compare to previous versions of the Nytro Mountain?

How does it work compared to some of the two strokes out there?

Can you notice it feels lighter than previous four stroke mountain sleds?

Does the sled need to be boosted to be considered "competitive"?

I know it's a little early but, would you buy this sled again?

Thanks for any information you can provide

Frosty

2 Stroke regrets? Finally rode my 09 Nytro. I like it. Needs some tweeking but I like it. My girlfriends M sure is stinky!!

 

[murph]

Here's the direct link to the video with the 2010 Nytro...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKgcY4A6 ... _embedded#

Makes me want to go ride!!

 

[tapex_07]

Im in Cooke right now... I can tell you I am happy with how it has preformed this trip. So far it has climbed about everything I have thrown at it. My buddy has an 07 D7 155 and we go about equal EVERYWHERE. Climbing, sidehills, threw the trees, and pulls across the lake. It seems to be easy to roll and feels like it gets up on the snow well. personally I think it pulls the 162 very well!! If I would have brought my 20 top gear with I think it can pull it. Might have to be a 19 tho. Mine is all stock, with the excecption of; OFT steering, WRP boards, and XXXmods vents. pulls 88-8900 back on Daisy and Lulu. I say its very comparable to the 700 2 strokes..

 

[Frostbite]

Thanks guys! I just typed a nice long reply and the computer glitched and it's gone.

I sat on a couple Nytro MTX SE sleds today and liked them. I would have to ride one again. The last Nytro MTX I rode was an 08 with 30 miles on it and the sway bar installed. Honestly, I wasn't too impressed.

My wife and kids are absolutely up in arms about me buying something other than a Yamaha this last time around. I guess that's good in a way because they want me to sell my new sled and buy another Yamaha. So, I'll be watching and waiting.

In the meantime, I will be figuring out how to make my new M8 work well and continue tweaking on my RX-1M. I have some snow eliminators coming for the RX-1 this week and I also have to install the two wheel kit for the M7 skid that resides under the RX-1.

Take care guys and thanks for the great repsonses and keep them coming.

Frosty

 

[AKrider]

I just got back in from a moonlight, mountain ride on my Vector with a 136. I've put a lot more time on my short track Nytro lately and I immediately noticed how dated my Vector felt (ergos) and the throttle response just isn't there. I ride my Nytro in deep snow from time to time and while it doesn't do very well because of the non tapered tunnel and Ripsaw track, it is easier to throw around.

I believe the M8 is based on the Crossfire chassis and isn't as rider forward as a Rev or Nytro. I think the rider forward chassis are easier to throw around and climb better than a non rider forward sled. In short, the mountain Nytro is going to feel much more maneuverable and easier to throw around than an RX-1. But it is going to feel a lot heavier than your M8 plus it will be a lot heavier to get unstuck than the M8.

I think the big factors will be what your snow conditions, terrain and riding style are like. If you like to boondock in deep, dry powder, I'd keep your M8. If your snow is more set up and you aren't big into deep powder riding, I'd go with the Nytro. My main reasoning behind this isn't that I don't think the Nytro isn't capable in deep snow, it's just that it takes a lot more work and energy to ride and getting stuck and having to dig it out will always be in the back of your mind.

 

[LoneViper]

I went from a Vector mountain to my 08 Nytro and I certainly find it easier to ride in about all conditions. My rideing buddies each have cats, an 08 1000 and
a 2010 800 and somehow I seem to be everywhere they are, sometimes ahead of them.

The 2010 Nytro looks to have the improvements right where they needed to be,
approach angle, opened the tunnel up, dropped some weight and the change to the rear suspension. I'm more of a 153 guy and I put the AC power claw track on. What a track!

The weight is an issue but a stuck is a stuck and they all are heavy.

 

[Frostbite]

Thanks guys, yes it would be tough to rationalize buying a new sled that didn't enhance my deep powder/boondocking mountain riding capabilities. That's why I bought a M8 this last time around. The 08 Nytro MTX I rode with a sway bar was in no way even close to as good in the powder as my RX-1M. Granted, the RX-1 has a 162 x 16 camo Extreme under it and has been a work in progress for many years and now FINALLY works fairly well in the deep.

And yes the powerclaw is one incredible track. I would highly recommend it to anyone with a pre 2010 Maverick. I assume the 2010 mavericks are better? They sure are stiffer, maybe too stiff? I have the 153" Powerclaw but, there's also a 162" and I have a place you can get a super buy on them. Call Michelle at Oregon Trail Motorsports in Baker City Oregon. Her number is 541-523-3500. Tell her Frostbite sent you.

Last spring was a real soul searching time for me. I have been a dyed in the wool Yamaha guy for years and years. I didn't want to stray from Yamaha but I wasn't a big fan of buying a brand new sled I was going to have to boost to make it work well in the deep stuff. I had to really define what type of riding I most enjoy and what type of riding I should realistically tailor my sled purchase toward this time around. I decided I most enjoyed boondocking more than anything else, by far. So I set out to find a real boondocker.

Yamaha's 2010 line up really didn't make my heart go pitter patter. The Nytro MTX SE was the only one that made me semi interested. So, I focused on a Summit X 154. The I went on Dootalk and read about all the engine and clutching issues, ok maybe not! Ok, I'll get a Polaris Dragon 800 155"! Then I read the Polaris forums and found the 09 800 engines were having even more problems than the Doos. The Polaris 700 engines were great but, I wanted an 800 or larger.

I have hated Cats since I was a sprout. I hate the Cat Green, I hate the Cat orange and have called then "ditch pickles" most of my adult life. I was shocked to see they seemed to have the only 800 engine that seemed to stay together. The white of the Sno Pros was kind of nice looking to me too. I couldn't decide between a M1000 or a M8 but, I dealer took me for a demo ride on both. Both were 09 Sno Pros with complete SLP exhaust systems. I really wanted a M1000 until I rode the sleds back to back. I wanted a lightweight, flickable boondocker and the M8 had that in spades. The power came on quick like a small block V8. The M1000 disappointed me. The extra 30 lbs of the sled felt like it was strapped to the front bumper. The nose didn't lift into the air when you nailed the throttle (it spun the track) and the power felt more diesel engine like (slower reving with power that never stops). We raced both sleds and the M8 crushed it in the 300 yards we had to race in. That was enough for me. I bought the M8 Sno Pro 153".

 

[woodsrider]

Personally I don't think the the Delta box chasis is in the same league as the the Nytor's, I don't care what mods you done to them. IF you only rode a Nytro for 30 miles I can see why you didn't like it. It takes a couple of day rides to get used to the way they handle. especially coming off the Delta Chasis. I would think the 2010 Nytro SE's would be hard to beat in stock form comparisons.

 

[Mountaintech]

Personally I don't think the the Delta box chasis is in the same league as the the Nytor's, I don't care what mods you done to them. IF you only rode a Nytro for 30 miles I can see why you didn't like it. It takes a couple of day rides to get used to the way they handle. especially coming off the Delta Chasis. I would think the 2010 Nytro SE's would be hard to beat in stock form comparisons.

Good points. It's like jumping on a Rev. Takes some time for it to click. Hell, when I did a steering relocate on my RX1 It took 2 rides before I finally was happy with it.

 

[AKrider]

Personally I don't think the the Delta box chasis is in the same league as the the Nytor's, I don't care what mods you done to them. IF you only rode a Nytro for 30 miles I can see why you didn't like it. It takes a couple of day rides to get used to the way they handle. especially coming off the Delta Chasis. I would think the 2010 Nytro SE's would be hard to beat in stock form comparisons.

I agree. Getting used to the rider forward ergos and handling takes some time. My Vector is set up with a Wild Child rider forward steering post and it helps, but it's still a far cry from a true rider forward sled like a Rev or Nytro. The Polaris RMK's and Dragons are not as rider forward as a Rev,XP or Nytro. Same thing with the M sleds. I think the M-sleds are even less rider forward than a Polaris. Just depends on what a guy likes and feels comfortable with.

The M8 is a nice sled and seems to be the only one that has any motor reliability in the 800cc class. What is it that you are unhappy with about the M8?

 

[Frostbite]

You guys are so right about the adjustment it takes to ride a Nytro or a Rev. I guess I haven't spent enough time learning to ride a real rider forward sled. I rode a Rev very briefly in 2003-2004 with Spray in McCall and I couldn't get off of it quick enough. My ride on the Nytro was maybe a little longer but, the way the handlebars pivoted just seemed strange to me. I was riding my 1 Ton with the Wildchild kit at the time.

What is it that I don't like about the M8 you ask?

Honestly I like the sled. It' very nimble and it seems to make me a much better rider compared to riding my RX-1 for many years in the mountains. I started using the same amount of force needed to heard a RX-1 around the mountains when riding it and was shocked to feel it took about 1/2 of the exertion to ride the sled effectively. That of course leaves one less tired during the day and after riding. I also find myself taking much more technical lines to challenge myself a bit more.

What's not liked?

The biggest factor for the family seems to be that it's not Yamaha blue. I hate firing it up in my shop (or covered trailer) I guess I'm a little spoiled after riding four strokes for so many years. It a minor thing but, I don't like having to use 91 octane. I don't care much for the fit and finish, especially how the hood fits and the adjustable steering post seems to list to the left. Changing a helix is a SOB. There are these 9 small torx screws that you have to heat up and they still like to strip out and it takes close to an hour to change a helix and you need a spring compressor. Clutching Cats is nothing like Yamahas. No one messes with roller size or really plays much with different profile weights. They use Cat weights or Cutler adjustable weights it seems. Not many play much with helix angles either.
I am getting a good education on learning to speak Cat though.

 

[TT]

Frosty, you have SMART kids. It must be their Norwegian heritage!

 

[Frostbite]

TT, you are so correct!

Very nice photo log of your RX-1 progress.

Wasn't it you that provided me with the skid measurements when I installed a Nytro MTX rear skid and track under my sons Mountain Max?

Thanks again

Frosty