hygear vs carver

[LJ 452]

I'm refering to the 06' RTX or any other Mono-Shock rear suspension. The C.K. I'm not sure about, mostly here about rail issues with that one. You can get a Hygear revalve for less, it's when you start adding all the goodies that it gets to 700-1000 bucks. I will say they did a heck of a job on my Mono, with that I will not buy a sled with out a capable susp. from here on out. I just can't justify spending 1000 bucks on a brand new sled for suspension upgrades. If you are planing on keeping your sled for a while it's worth it. If your going to sell it after this year I would go the less expensive route.

 

[SLEDSTART]

I'm refering to the 06' RTX or any other Mono-Shock rear suspension. The C.K. I'm not sure about, mostly here about rail issues with that one. You can get a Hygear revalve for less, it's when you start adding all the goodies that it gets to 700-1000 bucks. I will say they did a heck of a job on my Mono, with that I will not buy a sled with out a capable susp. from here on out. I just can't justify spending 1000 bucks on a brand new sled for suspension upgrades. If you are planing on keeping your sled for a while it's worth it. If your going to sell it after this year I would go the less expensive route.

At that point why not just put a different skid in the sled? Why put $1000 bucks in a skid that WILL still fail. I am thinking of running mine one season and selling the skid and replacing with something else...not sure what yet.

 

[LJ 452]

I'm refering to the 06' RTX or any other Mono-Shock rear suspension. The C.K. I'm not sure about, mostly here about rail issues with that one. You can get a Hygear revalve for less, it's when you start adding all the goodies that it gets to 700-1000 bucks. I will say they did a heck of a job on my Mono, with that I will not buy a sled with out a capable susp. from here on out. I just can't justify spending 1000 bucks on a brand new sled for suspension upgrades. If you are planing on keeping your sled for a while it's worth it. If your going to sell it after this year I would go the less expensive route.

At that point why not just put a different skid in the sled? Why put $1000 bucks in a skid that WILL still fail. I am thinking of running mine one season and selling the skid and replacing with something else...not sure what yet.

That's why I said I will no longer be getting a sled with out a capable suspension. Just too much $$$ and possibly a season wasted on a sled that doesn't get the job done.

 

[GotJuice]

BINGO...you and a lot of others!

I'm refering to the 06' RTX or any other Mono-Shock rear suspension. The C.K. I'm not sure about, mostly here about rail issues with that one. You can get a Hygear revalve for less, it's when you start adding all the goodies that it gets to 700-1000 bucks. I will say they did a heck of a job on my Mono, with that I will not buy a sled with out a capable susp. from here on out. I just can't justify spending 1000 bucks on a brand new sled for suspension upgrades. If you are planing on keeping your sled for a while it's worth it. If your going to sell it after this year I would go the less expensive route.

At that point why not just put a different skid in the sled? Why put $1000 bucks in a skid that WILL still fail. I am thinking of running mine one season and selling the skid and replacing with something else...not sure what yet.

That's why I said I will no longer be getting a sled with out a capable suspension. Just too much $$$ and possibly a season wasted on a sled that doesn't get the job done.

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I think you and a lot of others are fed up with the lame suspension /shock set ups from Yamaha. We are paying the highest price for our PREMIUM sleds and they are riding like an entry level sled or worse! You spend TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS on a sled, NO ONE should be so unhappy with the ride they need the skid revalved or replaced to have a compliant ride....purely STUPIDITY! Polaris's cheapest sleds ride better then the most expensive Yamaha version, I know because i've compared several versions and was shocked at the poor quality Yamaha is selling us!
I'm starting to read here and on many other forums that folks are sick and tired of the poor suspensions Yamaha has historically given us and jumping ship to other brands that offer 4 stroke versions of there sleds. I'm sure the other manufacturers will have comparable 4 stroke versions in the next few years and the love for the Apex will soon be forgotten, t many issue's that nickle and dime you to death! Great motor , poor suspensions....why not step up and make them what they should be and excell in the market? Makes no sense to me.......perhasp they should TRULY listen to their customers!
Now shocks.......LOL, Carver is awesome at what they do and Hygear is also, have had suspensios that they've both worked on. I think Carver is a bit better at the Valving for your personal style and weight...verses the spring combinations Hygear uses which can get expensive but do work nicely..... just my .02

 

[apexgt4life]

well put juice, It just always seems like yamaha is always behind the ball when it comes to getting thing right. from the start the apex has been a reliable motor and the suspension as we know sucks. they know this but have not really done much to change it, the apex is practically the same its been. and the weight issue is the same, why not come out with something that blows the market away, dont get me wrong i like yami, but those skidoo enginners seem to be more on the ball than yamahas team. and like you sed anyone thays in yamaha for the 4 stroke wont be here long as soon as the others start making 4 strokes and doo is already thier with a sled that rocks the mxz xp 4-tec but personally im looking at a mxz tnt etec, 399lbs rockin suspension and will keep up with most high horse sleds in the low and mid range.

 

[race24x]

I am not just saying this because I am a Yamaha owner, but really all sleds have problems. The XP has had top end issues suspension issues jack shafts breaking etc. If you go on Doo talk you see the same sorts of things here just different parts to complain about. I admit I erplaced my RX susp with something better, but how would you like to be a doo guy with a Rev chassis that bumps into a stump and there Nun breaks in the front. Light weght means there is metal gone from somewhere or lighter not as strong material is used. The Mono was a big step from the pro action and the Apex from the RX1 chassis was much better. I am slo suer for as many that have had problmes there are bunches that had none. I think the biggest thing plaguing the Yami is weight no matter what you put for a suspension an extra 150 lbs is hard to work with. Sledsd have gotten heavier and heavier and suspension technology hasnt come up with anything really big since slide rails took over for bogie wheels.

Just my .02 dont hate me

 

[apexgt4life]

yea i know, i guess im just a little dissapointed with it all seeing how much money i paid for these things, if a sled sticker is over 10,000 which the apex was. i expect a cadilac, because it is one of the highest priced sleds. its just like the car market, you buy a junker for 1000 u get what u pay for but you buy a cadilac fo 50,000 and it better drive and handle better than the junker, i know this is a little exreme but you get my point, i think the sled market as a whole has to stop with the speed issue and focus more on handling and suspension because sled is nothing if it cant handle it

anyways im going to give the ole apex one more season, trying like heck to get this thing dialed in, will send shock to carver to try and improve on pionners job from last year. carver is only 85 bucks, definatley not puting 400-700 into it for hygear, rather just by a 1980 citation, least the suspension will be better, lol just kidding.

 

[kotapug]

So what have people been having better luck with Carver or Hygear ? I want to send mine in but I want it done so I will be happy and not be pissed because I spent money and did not get anything in return that is a big dif. from what I have now.

 

[Kevin Garceau]

< putting in a dragon skid in my RTX - cost me 500 bucks with Walker Evans adj shocks front and rear. Heavy boy springs and revalve was an additional 100 bucks.

So for 600 bucks I have a suspension that works, its damn near direct bolt in.

I could sell my RTX skid for 300 and still be ahead of the game, in both performance and price.

 

[welterracer]

Ive only got $300 tops in having my rear shock revlaved,rebuilt and a 5.5 kg spring..

I didnt think that was too bad.. Sure it shouldnt need to be done in the first place, but changing to a totally different skid seems kinda extreme

 

[LJ 452]

So what have people been having better luck with Carver or Hygear ? I want to send mine in but I want it done so I will be happy and not be pissed because I spent money and did not get anything in return that is a big dif. from what I have now.

I only have expiriance with HyGear, so I can't comment on the Carver, I will say that HyGear made it the best (I feel) it could be. Since you have the 07' with the Proactive it's a little different. Many seem to be struggling with that suspension. If you are planning on keeping the sled for at least two or more years, I would do it. I doubt you would regret it, if you have the cash for it that is.

 

[VX1R]

I've had a lot of custom suspension work done over the years from Bruce at Pioneer, Ross at Hygear, and Mike at Carver. I can honestly say that they all know their stuff, and will do a great job. The key to getting your shocks dialed in to perfection is to let them know all you can regarding what you don't like about your current set up and what areas you think need to be improved. Knowing your weight and riding style and riding conditions will also help them out. Unfortunetly, it sometimes will take more than one time for them to get your shocks dialed in to where you want them to be.

I've used Bruce's personal valving in a 136" monoshock, along with his spring recommendations with great results. I'm not sure when you've had your shock work done there, but I would let him know what you're not happy with and go from there. He's probably had more experience on the Monoshock skid that you're running than Carver has. Since Mike Carver got hooked up with the Yamaha SnoCross team, he's got a lot more experience running with the twin shock RTX type skids, where Bruce at Pioneer has more experience running the Mono skids. I haven't run the Hygear Monoshock set up, but I've heard nothing good things from guys that have run their set up.