I need help to make the steering feel lighter

[Grimm]

I had a set of C&A Outlaws, kickass ski, but a biatch to turn. I bought a set of Kimpex Arrows and turn nearly as well but easier to steer. Downside is that the Arrows have no flotation for loose/deep snow.

 

[raginyamaha]

Many post on this but you need a stiffer center spring in a nut shell!

x2, kindve hard to get the best of both worlds, i had c+a skis and found the steering to heavy. Switched to curves and steering is much better with just a slight loss of conering bite. C+a is just a really aggressive ski and hence will steer hard when trails are set up.

How do you like your curves in the soft snow compare to the C&A?

I like them, not love them. They are very predictable which i like but could bit a little harder. i could probly work that out with a setup change but i like where i had it. I need to ride to see what the new track and shock rebuild/ revalve did for me. One day it might snow so i can test this newish machine!

 

[pok'r good]

Yes carbides and limiter straps and shock settings effect steering effort. But 1 thing not mentioned here is the steering block bushings.

 

[Yamatario]

Just got back from 3 days up at Cochrane,ON. 1st ride of the season so some fatique, but overall it was an excellent 1000k run. We had 3-6" fresh snow each morning with solid trail conditions underneath.

I put slpit rails skis on last year(about 3000k on them last yr) so this 1st ride was again a reminder that this was the best upgrade i have ever done for my Nytro XTX. Even with the fresh snow they just rail around the corners. I took some video of them in the fresh snow but the card filled up and lost that video. I will try again in 2 weeks when we go back out.

Riding back over some of the groomed trails where some other large groups had gone by, there is no darting! We also did some boondocking through the 3ft-4ft of powder on the powerline runs. They are great.

Overall, no darting, work excellent in fresh powder on trail, they love hard packed trails with twisties, and with very little steering effort you don't need to do a 3month weight training program to steer the the nytro. You can set the pace for the other to try to keep up to you.

Originnally with the OEM skis I had tightened the straps one hole, and tighten the front shock spring, tighten down the ski springs, and i think increased tranfer a bit. When i put the split rails on i just tweaked a few setting and never looked back.

Some complain about the price but they have four sets of carbides. Besides, you can always sell the old spindles to someone that cracked their front end up. I know I don't need my old spindles because i will never have another sled with out them.

 

[Sevey]

Split rails

Split rails reduce the steering effort considerably. Put them on my nytro last jan, awesome upgrade. They made riding through twisty tight trails effortless. Worth the g note in my opinion.

Also, the reduced steering effort was just one of many things they added to my sled. From a performance standpoint, they are awesome.

Ms

 

[shockwave]

Where can I get spilt rail ski in Canada. I just look at their web site and did not find anything. I am debating between split or curve. My C&A might go on my girl friend Ski-doo.

 

[woolyviper]

i had c&a's on my phazer and it was hard to turn - just the way they are.

 

[Sevey]

Split Rail

I ordered directly from them. Their number is on the website. They are in Bracebridge ontario. Nice people and happy to help. Give them your address, visa and voila. The skis arrive at your door 2-3 days.
Good luck
MS

 

[shockwave]

I just have one question for you guy that have split rails, how do they perform in the deep snow? I am convince that they are the best that money can buy for trail use.

 

[Yamatario]

Where can I get spilt rail ski in Canada. I just look at their web site and did not find anything. I am debating between split or curve. My C&A might go on my girl friend Ski-doo.

Just contact them direct as I don't think they have any dealers. We bought them in 2010 at the Toronto show.

 

[Sevey]

Deep Snow - Split Rail

Shockwave, I am probably not the best one to comment on Split Rails and deep snow. Where i ride in ontario, it is mostly groomed and packed trails, if you get lucky some drifts are 3-4ft. In most open fields if you get 1 to 1.5ft of fresh snow you are doing well. That is my typical playground.

I have had the split rails on the sled for one year and have never been in a situation or condition where i would want something else. They seem to float just fine thumping drifts, and in open fields have been fun and still handle well - not sloppy like stock skis. I have also noticed running hill sides, they really cling to the terrain and dont let the sled slide off. The centre channel of snow between the two rails creates a lot of stability.

Feel free to speak with the owner and designer of the ski Rob Wright. His number is on the web. I spoke to him at a show in TO this Fall and he indicated a pair had been sent to Chris Brandt out west and the feed back was very positive. The guy is super approachable, friendly and happy to speak about his product.
Good luck.
MS

 

[shockwave]

Re: Deep Snow - Split Rail

Shockwave, I am probably not the best one to comment on Split Rails and deep snow. Where i ride in ontario, it is mostly groomed and packed trails, if you get lucky some drifts are 3-4ft. In most open fields if you get 1 to 1.5ft of fresh snow you are doing well. That is my typical playground.

I have had the split rails on the sled for one year and have never been in a situation or condition where i would want something else. They seem to float just fine thumping drifts, and in open fields have been fun and still handle well - not sloppy like stock skis. I have also noticed running hill sides, they really cling to the terrain and dont let the sled slide off. The centre channel of snow between the two rails creates a lot of stability.

Feel free to speak with the owner and designer of the ski Rob Wright. His number is on the web. I spoke to him at a show in TO this Fall and he indicated a pair had been sent to Chris Brandt out west and the feed back was very positive. The guy is super approachable, friendly and happy to speak about his product.
Good luck.
MS

Thanks a lot, I have yet to find anything negative on those ski other then the price tag. I am also looking at Curves. I am certain that they must float better in the powder.

 

[Yamatario]

Re: Deep Snow - Split Rail

Shockwave, I am probably not the best one to comment on Split Rails and deep snow. Where i ride in ontario, it is mostly groomed and packed trails, if you get lucky some drifts are 3-4ft. In most open fields if you get 1 to 1.5ft of fresh snow you are doing well. That is my typical playground.

I have had the split rails on the sled for one year and have never been in a situation or condition where i would want something else. They seem to float just fine thumping drifts, and in open fields have been fun and still handle well - not sloppy like stock skis. I have also noticed running hill sides, they really cling to the terrain and dont let the sled slide off. The centre channel of snow between the two rails creates a lot of stability.

Feel free to speak with the owner and designer of the ski Rob Wright. His number is on the web. I spoke to him at a show in TO this Fall and he indicated a pair had been sent to Chris Brandt out west and the feed back was very positive. The guy is super approachable, friendly and happy to speak about his product.
Good luck.
MS

Thanks a lot, I have yet to find anything negative on those ski other then the price tag. I am also looking at Curves. I am certain that they must float better in the powder.

How much powder riding are you doing?

We were playing in the powder along the power lines by cochrane last week. there was 3-4 ft of powder and they were fine.

 

[Sevey]

Split Rail Price

I hear ya. The price is something certainly to make you think twice. For me, I wanted to get the sled handling better at all cost - so it was worth it. When you seea set, the machining of the spindle would be fairly complicated - the kit is not just a pair of plastic skis. That is likely why the price is higher.

Would love to hear more info on guys who have run deep snow with them. i have had a great experience with them for the kind of running i do. The performance they added to my Nytro was awesome.
MS

 

[shockwave]

Re: Deep Snow - Split Rail

Shockwave, I am probably not the best one to comment on Split Rails and deep snow. Where i ride in ontario, it is mostly groomed and packed trails, if you get lucky some drifts are 3-4ft. In most open fields if you get 1 to 1.5ft of fresh snow you are doing well. That is my typical playground.

I have had the split rails on the sled for one year and have never been in a situation or condition where i would want something else. They seem to float just fine thumping drifts, and in open fields have been fun and still handle well - not sloppy like stock skis. I have also noticed running hill sides, they really cling to the terrain and dont let the sled slide off. The centre channel of snow between the two rails creates a lot of stability.

Feel free to speak with the owner and designer of the ski Rob Wright. His number is on the web. I spoke to him at a show in TO this Fall and he indicated a pair had been sent to Chris Brandt out west and the feed back was very positive. The guy is super approachable, friendly and happy to speak about his product.
Good luck.
MS

Thanks a lot, I have yet to find anything negative on those ski other then the price tag. I am also looking at Curves. I am certain that they must float better in the powder.

How much powder riding are you doing?

We were playing in the powder along the power lines by cochrane last week. there was 3-4 ft of powder and they were fine.

Just like you, 3 to 4 ft. I ride in the powder on my way to the trail or when I go in the mountain.

thanks for you input.

I sent them an e-mail and I am waiting for a reply.