SledFreak
TY 4 Stroke God
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Yamaha's just sink in soft snow.. I believe it's because of the approach angle and it just wants to dig. They really need to work in this area for the cross-over sleds.Turk said:
trial
The funny thing is that they said this is the best trail sled Yamaha has made, and one of the best four strokes you can get. SO many guys on here in past arguments said, if you want more of a trail sled go with an attack or apex style. The NYtro is not meant for long runs/trail rides; but the magazine thinks it's the best one ever. We all love the torque and the dependability of the engine. WIth that and the riding position; it's the main reason most of us bought it.
The forward weight, angle of aproach, and track depth are the main reasons for the poor powder trial. Why don't they compare us to the new four-strokes that came out instead like the new doo, and cat? Instead of the 600 two-stroke sleds? This may make for a better trial. They didn't want apples to apples so they can brag for no reason. The track yamaha gave them should of been a little taller, but it makes it great on the trail!
:rules
The funny thing is that they said this is the best trail sled Yamaha has made, and one of the best four strokes you can get. SO many guys on here in past arguments said, if you want more of a trail sled go with an attack or apex style. The NYtro is not meant for long runs/trail rides; but the magazine thinks it's the best one ever. We all love the torque and the dependability of the engine. WIth that and the riding position; it's the main reason most of us bought it.
The forward weight, angle of aproach, and track depth are the main reasons for the poor powder trial. Why don't they compare us to the new four-strokes that came out instead like the new doo, and cat? Instead of the 600 two-stroke sleds? This may make for a better trial. They didn't want apples to apples so they can brag for no reason. The track yamaha gave them should of been a little taller, but it makes it great on the trail!
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Deadman
Expert
Why can the Yami race in the 2 stroke 600 class???????? Same reason!
Deadman said:
I know. They are talking about changing that. Which would doo race then the 600 or the four stroke? It is all a joke. There was a seperate thread on this about a month back that talked about this racing thing. They should have a 1000cc four stroke section. Some of the die hard two-stroke guys try to compare it. They will only be able to that for a couple years, before the fours' pass them up! If I recall it is the others that are trying to chase the Yami four-stroke that they thought was dumb in the first place
2008 Nytro RTX
TY 4 Stroke God
Why in the real world there is no 600 that can keep up with the Nytro.
If have seen very well tuned 600,s stay with and/or beat stock nytro,s. A well tuned Nytro is a different story.
2008 Nytro RTX
TY 4 Stroke God
Well tuned is what? Clutching and stuff right? a very well tuned 600 vs a stock Nytro not touched and it keeps up and beats it. I am sure a decent set up Nytro will beat a well tuned 600.
2008 Nytro RTX said:
DOn't forget a two-stroke runs different, and is lighter. One of the reasons they have a hard time classifying the four strokes against them for racing, and powder. They are different animals.
Superman
TY 4 Stroke Master
SledFreak said:
I kinda agree. But look at the new Doo 1200 vs the 600 TNT. About a 100 lb difference basically all in the motor. Take 3 200 lb guys and put them on the bow of my boat and she just isn't going to want to jump out of the water. I think A-arm protectors, Mtn ski's and that new Barge looking bellypan protector would be where I would start if I had a XTX. I think the front end floatation would help the balance, performance and handling in deep snow. I agree the ripsaw isn't the greatest off trail track but I'm guessing front end floatation would maybe help the track feel better.
OneBadWarrior
Expert
I think it should be apples to apples, really. 600 class crossovers vs. 1000 class 4 stroke cross over. Hmmmm if the only thing they can default the Nytro for is being heavier (duh) and not as 'nimble' off trail then throw a 144 Phazer MTX at them and drive circles around them through the trees!!! Yeah, the Phazer isn't a true cross over but, comparing the XTX with 600's isn't a good comparison either! Everyone would say the Phazer is under powered vs. the 600's blah, blah, blah. Line up the XTX against the 600's stock vs. stock on accelleration and trail manners then let's compare! All things being equal, which obviously they are not, my choice is the XTX all day long.
LJ 452
TY 4 Stroke God
THEROOKIE
Extreme
I totally agree with what LJ 452 just said. In my opinion the ltx vectors and apexs are made for trail riding, and the nytro xtx should be directly aimed as a true crossover 50/50. they got the track length right, just add a 1.5" lug height with less of an approach angle. 
Deadman
Expert
I like the longer track for the smooth ride, so its not always a cross over thing.....
Newfiebullet
Extreme
Thankfully Yamaha is not listening to most of you guys here.
THe 1.25 Ripsaw is perhaps not the best track out there for off trail riding, and maybe if the Predator was still available it would be a better choice, but if the XTX came with a 1.5" track I wouldn't have bought one.
I like playing off trail more then most people do, but I also like riding all winter long, and that includes when the conditions are marginal and the trails are icey and there's little or no snow on the lakes. I will not have a sled that not studded living in Ontario, it would be dumb to do so.
A 1.25" track is the perfect compromise, and compromise is what a crossover machine is all about.
I had a 1.25x144 on my sks, a 1.25x136 on my dragon, a 1.25x121 on my Cougar and XC. Even for serious off trail riding in Nfld it's the best all round lug height.
As far as the article goes, I'm actually happy to see a somewhat less then glowing report on the XTX. Every other mag that's tested it reads like a Yamaha brochure. You have to take them all with a grain of salt, and form your own opinion.
THe 1.25 Ripsaw is perhaps not the best track out there for off trail riding, and maybe if the Predator was still available it would be a better choice, but if the XTX came with a 1.5" track I wouldn't have bought one.
I like playing off trail more then most people do, but I also like riding all winter long, and that includes when the conditions are marginal and the trails are icey and there's little or no snow on the lakes. I will not have a sled that not studded living in Ontario, it would be dumb to do so.
A 1.25" track is the perfect compromise, and compromise is what a crossover machine is all about.
I had a 1.25x144 on my sks, a 1.25x136 on my dragon, a 1.25x121 on my Cougar and XC. Even for serious off trail riding in Nfld it's the best all round lug height.
As far as the article goes, I'm actually happy to see a somewhat less then glowing report on the XTX. Every other mag that's tested it reads like a Yamaha brochure. You have to take them all with a grain of salt, and form your own opinion.
LJ 452
TY 4 Stroke God
Newfiebullet said:
The problem is your comparing a lighter 2 smoke, low approach angle sled to the XTX. I'm not saying it has to have a 1.5" maybe the get with Camo and make a specific 1.325 or something. I just think it seems like they geared it more for the trail riders. So when a bunch of people are on here saying, it's not as good off trail as there Crossfire or Switchback, we'll know why. Sure we will like it better than the LTX, but I'm talking about getting people to make the switch from other brands. I'm sure the trail guys would have no issue changing the track if desired. Heck all the long track guys do it now!