skoalring11
Pro
so where is the wetness coming from. Is it the melted snow in the running board? do you ride with your feet tucked all the way in front of the running board? I just don't understand it because I haven't ridden yet but I am going up this weekend and will see for my self
BLUEBALLER
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This is what I have noticed in 150 kms of riding. The HOT air comes out of the vents in front of your left leg/boot. Whether it comes from the rad or more likely the hot air off the clutches is unknown. The point is, this hot air is constantly heating up your left pantleg and when snow comes into contact with your SUPER HEATED left leg, it then melts and soaks into your boot. BOTH my left leg and my left boot were sopping wet. The wet bib leg didn't bother me nearly as much as my wet foot. Hope this clears it up for you. Again, I don't think this will be nearly as big an issue on groomed trail, but, if you like to play in the powder, expect a big wet one.
unchained
Expert
skoalring11 said:
I had no idea it was even the sled untill I got home last night and got on this site and right on the top was this thread. I was ready to box up my boots and send them back but now Im baffled on if its sweat or water getting in from the outside? I had assumed it was sweat and the boots were junk. I'll wear my tried, tested and true Hodmans next weekend and that will determine if its the sled or the boots.....
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unchained
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I rode 60 miles yesterday in zero powder and had a wet left foot? The trail wasnt exactly groomed, but there was no powder either.....BLUEBALLER said:
NyTrOMaNIaC said:Sounds like it may be a combination of heat causing our feet to sweat, and possibly melting snow to top it all off. Regardless, I'm ordering a new pair of Klim boots RIGHT NOW, and I'm actually happy about it, early Christmas present to me !
No, it isn't even partially caused by sweat. Every time I've ridden in powder my left pantleg is wet. I don't know if you have a Nytro, but if you do, the next time you go out riding, pay attention to the difference in melted snow between the left and right running boards. The left board definitly receives more heat.
Some guys have mentioned this was also a problem on the REV's. I never read about it, but then, I didn't own a REV. I wonder what was different on a REV to make it less of an issue?
I've not had fresh snow to ride in for the past two weeks. It hasn't been a noticeable issue on hardpacked snow. Once we get more snow I'll try to documnet what is happening and maybe post some pics if it hasn't been done by then. Sounds like the lower 48 is getting some good snow!
NyTrOMaNIaC
TY 4 Stroke Master
rockrider said:NyTrOMaNIaC said:Sounds like it may be a combination of heat causing our feet to sweat, and possibly melting snow to top it all off. Regardless, I'm ordering a new pair of Klim boots RIGHT NOW, and I'm actually happy about it, early Christmas present to me !
No, it isn't even partially caused by sweat. Every time I've ridden in powder my left pantleg is wet. I don't know if you have a Nytro, but if you do, the next time you go out riding, pay attention to the difference in melted snow between the left and right running boards. The left board definitly receives more heat.
Some guys have mentioned this was also a problem on the REV's. I never read about it, but then, I didn't own a REV. I wonder what was different on a REV to make it less of an issue?
I've not had fresh snow to ride in for the past two weeks. It hasn't been a noticeable issue on hardpacked snow. Once we get more snow I'll try to documnet what is happening and maybe post some pics if it hasn't been done by then. Sounds like the lower 48 is getting some good snow!
I do have an FX Nytro RTX, and I am having problems with my left foot getting wet. (Why can't it be the right one ?!?! inside joke btw) Anyway, I also had a Rev for a few years, and it was a common problem with that sled as well, so it's got to be caused by excessive heat from the clutches, whether it be sweat or melting snow, it's something we have to fix. As I said in another post, I had exchanged my last pair of Skidoo brand boots for the new updated ones, and last year things were ok for the most part, but this year isn't shaping up well for it being so early in the season. Perhaps once the colder weather arrives it won't be as noticeable, but I'm not taking any chances, new Klim boots are now paid for and on the way, plus, as the season progresses, along with it comes more snow, and lots of it where I ride, so powder days are inevitable ! I was also wearing technical Burton snowboard socks, they're as good as any if not better than technical snowmobile socks, and they're designed to keep your feet warm and dry, and I still got wet.
Swiss Sledder
TY 4 Stroke God
A couple of things.
First, for those that are experiencing a problem, please report it to your dealer who will in turn report it to Yamaha. This is important because the logged problems will trigger Yamaha's internal processes, which may result in a solution. If you don't report it, then Yamaha will not be aware.
Second, can we start to focus on a solution? People that have tried different options should post the results and riding conditions.
First, for those that are experiencing a problem, please report it to your dealer who will in turn report it to Yamaha. This is important because the logged problems will trigger Yamaha's internal processes, which may result in a solution. If you don't report it, then Yamaha will not be aware.
Second, can we start to focus on a solution? People that have tried different options should post the results and riding conditions.
Tork
TY 4 Stroke God
Great points Swiss!!!!
I am wondering if we shouldn't lock this thread. This thread has served it's purpose, more than enough to prove that this is a real problem that needs a solution. With this one locked, start up a thread like.
" Wet left boot issue, proposed solutions"
and again, the number 1 thing you guys should do is get your complaint on record at your dealers. The more complaints they get and the quicker you can get them on record, will help Yamaha get on this with an engineering fix with more priority.
I am wondering if we shouldn't lock this thread. This thread has served it's purpose, more than enough to prove that this is a real problem that needs a solution. With this one locked, start up a thread like.
" Wet left boot issue, proposed solutions"
and again, the number 1 thing you guys should do is get your complaint on record at your dealers. The more complaints they get and the quicker you can get them on record, will help Yamaha get on this with an engineering fix with more priority.
The Bismarck
Extreme
sstickler said:
You are correct i have yet to ride a nytro but i don't see how it could be any worse then riding a rev. I was responding to nytromaniac talking about his skidoo boots and leaking. I have experienced the same problem with skidoo brand boots. With the vents on the nytro its going to give off more heat then an apex.
snownutz
Expert
What about using the outerwear prefilter cloth over clutch vent to keep snow out from melting by your leg. Just a thought
Tork
TY 4 Stroke God
snownutz said:
I think you may be on to something, commendable!!!!!!
Tork
TY 4 Stroke God
guys you can go on posting noting your problem.
But maybe at the 6 page mark we should lock it down and move on to proposing solutions.
If we dont do it that way, posts like snownutz's post above which is a possible good fix, will just get buried and lost in the shuffle.
But maybe at the 6 page mark we should lock it down and move on to proposing solutions.
If we dont do it that way, posts like snownutz's post above which is a possible good fix, will just get buried and lost in the shuffle.
YAM182
Expert
Hot air coming from the vent is warming the left leg from the knee on down.Snow and snow dust is now melting on contact and causing the snowpants to become soaked.
Waterproof boots should do their job.
Its probably the snowpants becoming soaked and the water running down into the boots.
Vents are too high and need to be changed to divert air so its not at the knee area.
Even a vent more to the side or cover the upper part and open up more holes down low may work.
Duct tape over the upper venting may be a temporary thing to try to see if the wetness is reduced and stays down low on the boot.Just watch clutch,eng temps etc.
Waterproof boots should do their job.
Its probably the snowpants becoming soaked and the water running down into the boots.
Vents are too high and need to be changed to divert air so its not at the knee area.
Even a vent more to the side or cover the upper part and open up more holes down low may work.
Duct tape over the upper venting may be a temporary thing to try to see if the wetness is reduced and stays down low on the boot.Just watch clutch,eng temps etc.
Exactly!
The Rev didn't have vents in the plastic behind the clutches!
Don't know the solution as of yet! Maybe we should be brainstorming.. OH wait!! We ARE!
Couple of isssues:
The engine is larger (in mass not cc) therefore more area to cool. Or creating warmer air after passing by engine. Someone mentioned that the left side flows air more freely than the right and this appears to be true!
I have noticed that air IS HOT! No the wetness NOT sweat generated!
So a couple of solutions could be redirecting this air discharge OR increasing air inlet!
I haven't ridden my sled below zero degrees so there may be a change or changes in my ideas.
Now looking at some of the pics on this site I am impressed with the amount of heat this sled generates.
The Rev didn't have vents in the plastic behind the clutches!
Don't know the solution as of yet! Maybe we should be brainstorming.. OH wait!! We ARE!
Couple of isssues:
The engine is larger (in mass not cc) therefore more area to cool. Or creating warmer air after passing by engine. Someone mentioned that the left side flows air more freely than the right and this appears to be true!
I have noticed that air IS HOT! No the wetness NOT sweat generated!
So a couple of solutions could be redirecting this air discharge OR increasing air inlet!
I haven't ridden my sled below zero degrees so there may be a change or changes in my ideas.
Now looking at some of the pics on this site I am impressed with the amount of heat this sled generates.
Imagine if the grips actually got hot...Whahh my gloves are all wet! LOL! Just a thought, Are most of you guys wearing snowcross style boots?
Because regardless of what they claim they are not waterproof. They are only meant to give support. Buy some rubber bottom boots (sorel alpha trac, baffin, etc) and put a HMK liner in it for support.
If melted snow is getting through your snow pants, they are junk, Period. Throw away your Choko, CKX, HJC, FXR, sno X wanna be crap and invest in a great pair of bibs(Klim,Reima,etc). Between having pants that actually shed moisture and boots that don't let water leak in through the laces and liner everbody can stop complaining and go ride this great sled!
Because regardless of what they claim they are not waterproof. They are only meant to give support. Buy some rubber bottom boots (sorel alpha trac, baffin, etc) and put a HMK liner in it for support.
If melted snow is getting through your snow pants, they are junk, Period. Throw away your Choko, CKX, HJC, FXR, sno X wanna be crap and invest in a great pair of bibs(Klim,Reima,etc). Between having pants that actually shed moisture and boots that don't let water leak in through the laces and liner everbody can stop complaining and go ride this great sled!