DeerHuntr
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Hey guys, just wondering what you guy recomend for ski's, was thinking of Simmon's but ran across Slydogs website and they look promising as well, any input appreciated.
Snowman07
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Forget the Slydogs.....grab yourself some C&A Razors. Slap on some Stud Boy Shaper bars and you'll be set.
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What do want out of aftermarket skis? Given your location, I suspect you are looking better turning ability on hardpacked trails? If so, I wouldn't go with C&A Razors unless you have massive forearms because they will be a biotch to turn. C&A Razors are a good ski for loose snow conditions, hence the reason why every snow x race sled has them. Simmons are good for better floatation in deep snow.DeerHuntr said:
You should also check out the Nytro FAQ thread (top of forum or link in my signature) and look under skis for a thread called Best skis?.
So what is it that you don't like about the stock ski that you want to correct?
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Pretty much every aspect of the stock ski's leave something to be desired IMO. What I really want is more bite in the corners wether it be hardpack or loose snow conditions. More floatation would be nice as well. I had USI PX301's on it last year for a time but they were a bit too much I think but I did have 8" carbides on em and no studs.
I am trying to get this thing to handle, it is my one area I am unhappy with my Nytro. I am coming off of and still have a 06 Fusion 700 and that sled rails after a year of suspension tweaking, my wife rides it now. When my Nytro was new it handled so bad that my wife refused to ride it and although it has gotten better I have a ways to go to get it to handle like the Fusion, she will at least ride it now so I can blow the carbon out of the Fusion from time to time. I am also planning on putting in the transfer blocks to help limit the weight transfer and stop the wheelies.
I have already pulled my front strap up two holes and don't really want to suck that up anymore. It rides awesome in the rough, really love it, just need to get it to turn. I currently have the rear springs in the medium setting and compression cranked up a bit. i am also considering putting the springs to high and dialing back the compression dampening a bit in an effort to stop the wheelies but don't want to mess with that too much because it rides so nice the way it is. It also seems to have allot more body roll then I like and that seems to be the case with almost every four stroke I've ridden. My brother had a 03 RX-1 and dad a 06 Apex and they seemed to do the same but not as bad. I am thinking about trying to pull the swaybar up a hole but have never read of anyone trying that. The handling with the USI's on it was greatly improved but the body roll was almost worse, really had to hang out over that inside ski to get her to turn but it did at least turn instead of plow. Steering effort was greatly increased with the USI's however, manageable but heavy. I know I will get there just don't want to take one step forward in one area only to take two steps back in another. All I can say is the motor in this thing makes it all worth it in the end, best engine in the biz.
I am trying to get this thing to handle, it is my one area I am unhappy with my Nytro. I am coming off of and still have a 06 Fusion 700 and that sled rails after a year of suspension tweaking, my wife rides it now. When my Nytro was new it handled so bad that my wife refused to ride it and although it has gotten better I have a ways to go to get it to handle like the Fusion, she will at least ride it now so I can blow the carbon out of the Fusion from time to time. I am also planning on putting in the transfer blocks to help limit the weight transfer and stop the wheelies.
I have already pulled my front strap up two holes and don't really want to suck that up anymore. It rides awesome in the rough, really love it, just need to get it to turn. I currently have the rear springs in the medium setting and compression cranked up a bit. i am also considering putting the springs to high and dialing back the compression dampening a bit in an effort to stop the wheelies but don't want to mess with that too much because it rides so nice the way it is. It also seems to have allot more body roll then I like and that seems to be the case with almost every four stroke I've ridden. My brother had a 03 RX-1 and dad a 06 Apex and they seemed to do the same but not as bad. I am thinking about trying to pull the swaybar up a hole but have never read of anyone trying that. The handling with the USI's on it was greatly improved but the body roll was almost worse, really had to hang out over that inside ski to get her to turn but it did at least turn instead of plow. Steering effort was greatly increased with the USI's however, manageable but heavy. I know I will get there just don't want to take one step forward in one area only to take two steps back in another. All I can say is the motor in this thing makes it all worth it in the end, best engine in the biz.
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One of the things I did to make my Nytro handle great was toe'ing out my skis 1/2" (1/4" on each ski). My sled used handle like a bear before I tried that. At the end of a days ride my shoulders and neck would burn and ache. Believe it or not, after I toe'd out my skis not only did I get my sled to handle 10x better but my sore shoulders and neck problem went away.
I doubt any of us Nytro owners will ever get over the tippiness in the turns. We just get used to it and learn to put our #*$&@ out over the seat and feather the brakes into the turn. As unruley as the Nytro might be, I never had any problems keeping up with the fancy-pancy REVs that everyone raves about. For me...it's not about how I can get my sled to rail in the corners, because anyone can get a sled to handle the corners. But rather it's the sled quality and dependability and staying the hell out of shop for repairs....that my friend is what I am getting out of Yamaha.
I doubt any of us Nytro owners will ever get over the tippiness in the turns. We just get used to it and learn to put our #*$&@ out over the seat and feather the brakes into the turn. As unruley as the Nytro might be, I never had any problems keeping up with the fancy-pancy REVs that everyone raves about. For me...it's not about how I can get my sled to rail in the corners, because anyone can get a sled to handle the corners. But rather it's the sled quality and dependability and staying the hell out of shop for repairs....that my friend is what I am getting out of Yamaha.
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agreed,My Razors really helped them out. Plus the white looks awesome!Snowman07 said:
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DeerHuntr, thanks for the follow-up and explanation. C&A Razors are probably the best skis in loose snow conditions. The deep keel digs into the snow allowing you rail through corners (see pic below).
The downside of the Razors is that they will most definitely increase steering effort. They also tend to dart more on hardpack trail conditions. But in loose snow conditions, it is difficult to find a better ski. This is a good ski for riding in the U.P. or other lake effect snow areas where there is lots of powder. I'm not sure this is the best ski for your location.
Simmons will provide you with better flotation and they do have a good amount of bite in the corners, but in my opinion, this is not a good ski choice for the Nytro.
Have you thought about the Curve XS?
The downside of the Razors is that they will most definitely increase steering effort. They also tend to dart more on hardpack trail conditions. But in loose snow conditions, it is difficult to find a better ski. This is a good ski for riding in the U.P. or other lake effect snow areas where there is lots of powder. I'm not sure this is the best ski for your location.
Simmons will provide you with better flotation and they do have a good amount of bite in the corners, but in my opinion, this is not a good ski choice for the Nytro.
Have you thought about the Curve XS?
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I put C&A trail X's on my firecat last season and was very impressed with them, they didn't dart, weren't hard to steer and bit hard in the corners....they will be going on my 08 RTX this season. They're a cheaper alternative to Razors and not as aggressive.
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Swiss Sledder said:DeerHuntr, thanks for the follow-up and explanation. C&A Razors are probably the best skis in loose snow conditions. The deep keel digs into the snow allowing you rail through corners (see pic below).
The downside of the Razors is that they will most definitely increase steering effort. They also tend to dart more on hardpack trail conditions. But in loose snow conditions, it is difficult to find a better ski. This is a good ski for riding in the U.P. or other lake effect snow areas where there is lots of powder. I'm not sure this is the best ski for your location.
Simmons will provide you with better flotation and they do have a good amount of bite in the corners, but in my opinion, this is not a good ski choice for the Nytro.
Have you thought about the Curve XS?
Swiss Sledder, where do you actually ride, and how much do you really know about Lake Effect snow??
Out of the 10k plus miles I've had on my Razors between my F7 and my Nytro, never had any problems. I ride in various conditions all the time. Whether it's hard pack or loose soft lake effect, my Razors handle it all.
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Snowman, I can answer that for you. He's originally from Minnesota but lives in England now. I've ridden with him on several trips and he does know what he's talking about. UP, Minnesota, Manitoba and Ontario, and I believe Saskatchewan. His comment wasn't that they were a bad ski, but that there are better overall choices for where Deer Hunter does most of his riding. The Razors DO increase steering effort. ANY ski will dart under certain conditions. I've run C@A and Slydogs and GYTR skiis on my sled's. Right now, for what and where I ride, Powderhounds are the answer for ME.The thing to remember is that there is no PERFECT ski. We all have opinions about what we use to make our sled's better. I believe with HIS experience, Swiss Sledder was offering HIS opinion. This is what makes this site work like it does. Please respect that, and give YOUR opinion so Deer Hunter can weigh his options and find a ski that will work for him. If the Razors work for you, and they do work for a large number of people here, they are the right ski for you. Not trying to be a heavy here, I just know Swiss VERY well, and respect his opinion. CARRY ON LOL!
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I can not believe this...???
A thread about skis for the RTX, and the SLP PP is not even mentioned...???
A thread about skis for the RTX, and the SLP PP is not even mentioned...???
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I would read this article for clues on suspension setup:
http://www.hygearsuspension.com/2008%20 ... 20Test.pdf
I really like the C&A XTX skis for the Nytro. They are the same as the race ski but the center keel is cut down to make them a little less aggressive. They track well and have are 7 1/4 " wide to help float the heavy front end of the sled. Suspension setup makes a huge difference in how skis work too. These skis with Hygear front triple rate springs helped my handling big time.
http://www.hygearsuspension.com/2008%20 ... 20Test.pdf
I really like the C&A XTX skis for the Nytro. They are the same as the race ski but the center keel is cut down to make them a little less aggressive. They track well and have are 7 1/4 " wide to help float the heavy front end of the sled. Suspension setup makes a huge difference in how skis work too. These skis with Hygear front triple rate springs helped my handling big time.
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I have compared three different aftermarket skis on my -08 RTX 40th as well as my -09 RTX SE and I have posted feedback regarding this in a number of different threads. This seems to be the most recent one:
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=66756
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=66756
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I've logged about 3000-4000 miles a season for the past 10 years in the lake effect areas of Michigan and northwestern Wisconsin, as well as time in eastern Manitoba where snow conditions would be similar to those where DeerHuntr would ride. Lake effect snow is very loose whereas snow in northwestern Minnesota and southeastern Manitoba tends to be hard and sticky.Snowman07 said:
I never said the Razors were a bad ski. Just pointing out what conditions they work best in and making sure people know they tend to take more steering effort. I had a pair of these skis on my Attak and they were great in loose snow in the UP but were scary on hardpacked surfaces. I also found that my arms were very tired at the end of the day because of the extra steering effort but I do tend to ride 200+ mile days. I also ride with a guy from this site that has Razors on both his Yamaha sleds and loves them, but he will also tell you they are a handful on hardpacked surfaces. The Razors have the deepest keel in the market that makes them perfect for loose snow conditions. They are a very aggressive ski that will hold the line through the corners, hence the reason why every snow x racer has them on their sled regardless of which brand they ride.
Others love the Slydog Powderpros and many people from site put the Curve XS on their Nytro's last season with good success. Going with smaller keel ski from C&A is certainly an option too although it would be worth noting the experiences that Alatalo pointed out in his post.
