HartleRacing
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any suggestions on what to run? im hell bent on either a Nytro or Phazer at the moment as a Viper is not in the financial budget.. anyone have one for sale already that would be setup for this? i dont want to have to go with another brand but and IQR is 3rd on the list if i cant get one of the other two and make it competitive by december. any help would be appreciated..
also any suggestions on what would need to be changed to make it competitive??
also any suggestions on what would need to be changed to make it competitive??
number1kyster
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IMO if you want to be competitive forget riding a Yamaha. The Nytro and Phazer both are not strong enough to handle snocross. I'd get a used IQR 600 if I were in your shoes. I've ridden one on a snocross track and they are insanely flick-able through the air! There is a reason that chassis has been in production 3 times longer that Ski-doo or Cat's race sled. It flat out works.
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Try an look into the Yamaha race program. The cross country sleds from last year with new front ends and 128" relocate are big improvement I guess. Check on the classifieds here an ask I know a few were forsale from the racers
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yes i looked at the Nytro race sled that is in the for sale section. the problem i have with that is that is uses prototype parts. id hate to buy something, break an a-arm and realize they wont make a new one..
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They are a production piece for guys that race nytro's, email the guy selling them. I know my dealer said yamaha wants to get more of these kits out there to racers for this season. He may have contact info or know how to set u up to get more if needed.
Why would you want to ride a brand that has absolutely no sno-x program? The other OEM's will sell you real race sleds through their race programs. Any of the other three OEM race sleds are far and away more competitive in sno-x than a Nytro. You'll get killed even in the sport classes on a Nytro.
Those Nytro front end kits were a small, non factory, production run and they have no reason to continue manufacturing spare parts for them because the Nytro has been replaced with the Viper.
Those Nytro front end kits were a small, non factory, production run and they have no reason to continue manufacturing spare parts for them because the Nytro has been replaced with the Viper.
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I agree, for Snow-X racing pick one of the other 3, not Yamaha. The Polaris would be a good choice.
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Polaris ,skidoo or cat for sure !
All three have done well in sno- cross
All three have done well in sno- cross
I agree with these guys. Its a HUGE commitment even with factory support. Almost all the racers still have to pay for their sleds. Right around $6000. So alot of time finding sponsors is needed. Time at the races is huge. 3 days sitting around for maybe a couple hrs on the track. Its not as glorious as it sounds unless you are running a local track just for fun. 2strokes have the advantage here. No question. If you win you deserve to win. Take any advantage you can. Even if it means riding another brand.
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It won't be quite as ez on a nytro. However I admire the desire to do it. Also the updated race version would be nice an may work well... Check with the guy that's selling if that's what u truely want. Nytros have made huge strides with the xc and mountain climb efforts and it might be a nice deal. Who knows. I would def look into it if its what I wanted and see what the guys kicking #*$&@ in xc thought of the new sled. And Doug Henry was doing great in adaptive also.
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Extremely poor advice. If you want to be laughed at, bring a Nytro to a snocross race. The prototype 25,000 dollar Nytros were better than stock in XC, but that is very faint praise indeed. There is a reason Team Yamaha is so excited to be on a new chassis. Pick anything other than a Nytro or a Phaser.fxnytrortxkid said:
jp111
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I admire your thinking! However I was once you, I raced sno cross and ran a 2000 SXR 700 in mod class. I would win every hole shot and lead to the first turn or jump. After that it was truly like riding an anchor. My second year I dropped 100 lbs from the sled It weighed in at the minimum which was 430 at the time. It still was terrible to ride. I beat myself up and my budget for 2 years. I switched brands which was really tough, but was insanely competitive right away.
Do your self a favor if your serious about being competitive go to another brand and have fun.
Do your self a favor if your serious about being competitive go to another brand and have fun.
There is a reason Yamaha quit racing the Nytro in sno-x after pissing away hundreds of thousands of dollars on their effort. The Nytro isn't competitive.
The Viper won't be competitive in sno-x either but should do okay in XC.
The fact is a giant, heavy, 3-cylinder gyroscope of a 4-stroke motor weighing down the front of the sled is not the hot step up for sno-x. Yamaha would need to have the rules changes to allow for a gear reduction on the clutch to even start down the path towards a competitive 4-stroke. The motor would have to be Formula 1 based like a modern MX bike motor. Power would be made a high revs, the life span on the engine would be very short and it simply wouldn't have any future as a consumer product.
Yamaha's current sled motors are street bike based and very reliable, dependable and last a very long time. Light weight they are not. I used to think 4-strokes were going to take over the sled world but I don't believe that anymore. Spend any time in some dirt bike forums reading about the modern 4-stroke motors and even though Yamaha's are the best they still require a ton more maintenance and money than the old air cooled Yamaha TT or Honda XR motors. Eric Gorr has some good info on the reason the new dirt bike 4-strokes require so much maintenance.
The Viper won't be competitive in sno-x either but should do okay in XC.
The fact is a giant, heavy, 3-cylinder gyroscope of a 4-stroke motor weighing down the front of the sled is not the hot step up for sno-x. Yamaha would need to have the rules changes to allow for a gear reduction on the clutch to even start down the path towards a competitive 4-stroke. The motor would have to be Formula 1 based like a modern MX bike motor. Power would be made a high revs, the life span on the engine would be very short and it simply wouldn't have any future as a consumer product.
Yamaha's current sled motors are street bike based and very reliable, dependable and last a very long time. Light weight they are not. I used to think 4-strokes were going to take over the sled world but I don't believe that anymore. Spend any time in some dirt bike forums reading about the modern 4-stroke motors and even though Yamaha's are the best they still require a ton more maintenance and money than the old air cooled Yamaha TT or Honda XR motors. Eric Gorr has some good info on the reason the new dirt bike 4-strokes require so much maintenance.
If you have a budget then don't get into racing.
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100% true!Throttle Jockey said:
