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Hello all. I'm wanting a low boost turbo for my Apex. I'd like to avoid removing the engine if I could (for new postons or head studs or head gasket) and I'd rarther not have a meth kit...
Is there any low boost, pump gas Apex kits with like 200 or so HP for 2009 - 2010 Apex that does not require these things? I could carry some Torco octane boost cans around with me if necessary, but I'd rather run on pump fuel if I could.
Is this possible or am I living in dream land?
Is there any low boost, pump gas Apex kits with like 200 or so HP for 2009 - 2010 Apex that does not require these things? I could carry some Torco octane boost cans around with me if necessary, but I'd rather run on pump fuel if I could.
Is this possible or am I living in dream land?
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Nope, not a dream. I started out with one, bolt-on pump gas...
Check out the FPP website under the performance products menu across the top, select yamaha snowmobiles, Apex & Attak turbo kit...
http://fullpowerperformance.com/index.p ... Itemid=113
Check out the FPP website under the performance products menu across the top, select yamaha snowmobiles, Apex & Attak turbo kit...
http://fullpowerperformance.com/index.p ... Itemid=113
machz69
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The cpr kit does not have head shim,low comp pistons are anything like that. I think it's more of a bolt and go kit. It does make about 220 on pump gas. I have a turbo and header if your looking for one. You would need an intercooler and a fuel box and a new gas tank
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Whats the price?mbarryracing said:
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MCX makes a 200hp kit as well I believe. No head shim either required. But IMO why not install a head shim and then run 290 hp with the bigger kit. Will have to upgrade again when you get tired of 200hp. It will happen trust me.
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I would think the lowboost kit would be cheaper and not having to crack the motor would be a big plus for me.
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It should be at the bottom of that webpage but also call incase that 's not current.cacsrx1 said:
Keep in mind when comparing prices that the FPP kit includes the clutch kit and boost gauge, also heard some talk that all the FPP kits will start to come with an AFR gauge too. Pretty good value, that is why I went with it.
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6g's is too rich for my blood on a lowboost kit.
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cacsrx1 said:
My thoughts exactly.
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Yeah, sorry but boosting ain't cheap, especially on an Apex because of the complexity and additional components needed...
An MCX is gonna be $7800+ and doesn't come with a clutch kit, etc.
A Powderlites kit is gonna be $7200+ and that isn't a bolt-on... requires a head shim.
An option to keep the cost down would be start looking at used kits, good way to get into boosting for less coin...
An MCX is gonna be $7800+ and doesn't come with a clutch kit, etc.
A Powderlites kit is gonna be $7200+ and that isn't a bolt-on... requires a head shim.
An option to keep the cost down would be start looking at used kits, good way to get into boosting for less coin...
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And make to do maintenence every year because even if you don't break stuff you have to make sure you didn't. If you know your way around boost you could do it. I would have someone put it on for you...
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Being they all the turbo kits seem to be $6,000 plus, are they all good or are some better than others? The FPP kit intrigues me a lot and has everything I'm interested in: 200+ hp in a low boost option -- turnkey reliability on pump gas.
So my next question: how tough is the install either on FPP kit or other turbo kits? It this something that can be safely done yourself? If done a fair amounts of mods myself before, but this be far would be the biggest I've ever done.....
So my next question: how tough is the install either on FPP kit or other turbo kits? It this something that can be safely done yourself? If done a fair amounts of mods myself before, but this be far would be the biggest I've ever done.....
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The MCX is going to be the better high-end kit, hands down, and you pay a premium for it too. As well, the install is going to be more extensive and take longer then all the others.
The biggest things to consider when researching which kit to buy are...
- Is the kit designed for the type of riding you plan on using it for? A turbo kit designed for high elevation mountain or deep powder riding typically doesn't work well for low elevation trail riding, atleast out of the box... The operating boost levels and clutching are the biggest contributors.
- How convenient is it to get tech support for trouble shooting or obtain spare parts? or where is the closest dealer or shop that has experience with that kit? If you are not experienced with boosting, questions are going to come up when doing the initial install and tune. Especially since it often happens that no one sled runs the same as the next.
- How much modification will you have to make to the sled? how much are you going to have to hack it up, etc? Some kits for the Apex are a side mount turbo and dump the exhaust out the side panel, some exit the stock location, etc. Some you can't use the stock fuel tank, etc.
My FPP kit wasn't bad at all. The hardest parts were dropping the rear suspension, drilling out the rivets for the right side factory tunnel protector to mount the tunnel charge tube. Then removing the chaincase so you can access the side of the tunnel to cut the hole where the charge tube comes thru (comes with a template) which required a hole saw and a die grinder. Everything else was pretty much bolt-on and plug in.
The biggest things to consider when researching which kit to buy are...
- Is the kit designed for the type of riding you plan on using it for? A turbo kit designed for high elevation mountain or deep powder riding typically doesn't work well for low elevation trail riding, atleast out of the box... The operating boost levels and clutching are the biggest contributors.
- How convenient is it to get tech support for trouble shooting or obtain spare parts? or where is the closest dealer or shop that has experience with that kit? If you are not experienced with boosting, questions are going to come up when doing the initial install and tune. Especially since it often happens that no one sled runs the same as the next.
- How much modification will you have to make to the sled? how much are you going to have to hack it up, etc? Some kits for the Apex are a side mount turbo and dump the exhaust out the side panel, some exit the stock location, etc. Some you can't use the stock fuel tank, etc.
My FPP kit wasn't bad at all. The hardest parts were dropping the rear suspension, drilling out the rivets for the right side factory tunnel protector to mount the tunnel charge tube. Then removing the chaincase so you can access the side of the tunnel to cut the hole where the charge tube comes thru (comes with a template) which required a hole saw and a die grinder. Everything else was pretty much bolt-on and plug in.
rindtj
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If I were going to put one on I would do either a FPP or Simons CPR front mount. Performance wise I think both will fit your needs- you probably won't be super worried about your ET times or making 215 HP vs 220 HP.
I have seen Simons Turbos in action and they work, but the guy who installed it said everything isn't necessarily "perfect" i.e. things don't seem to fit perfect or be of the highest quality all the time- and they can have header problems.
But Simons would be closer for you to for install help or tuning.
I have seen Simons Turbos in action and they work, but the guy who installed it said everything isn't necessarily "perfect" i.e. things don't seem to fit perfect or be of the highest quality all the time- and they can have header problems.
But Simons would be closer for you to for install help or tuning.
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I haven't installed any turbo-kits before, but I installed a MCX 290 kit in my 2011 Apex. It was many hours of work, but not any problems.
I thought of a 200 kit at first, but I know for sure I allways need more and more and more power, so it's best to start high up. The difference in price isn't very high. I'm running at premium fuel, no problems yet. Have ordered a clutch-kit from Ulmer, so I look forward to get that.
