Mac
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I'm going to see the Nytro on the 15th of April at the last and final show in Allentown PA. I'm going to make my decision to snowcheck at the show since thats the last day to snowcheck. I think the canted rails helped me decide that a 153 could do ok running groomed trails. Then I can install several additional wheel shafts with oversized wheels that will at least make the hyfax tolerable. The track lugs at 2 1/4 will get the razor knife. Can anyone tell me how many inches long the canted area will be? Thanks everyone for your insite. I think theirs a mtn. sled in my future.
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Don't forget, this sled is going to be narrower like one other member posted here. It is not going to hang with your buddies in the corners on groomed trails. I didn't notice that it was as bad as the vector Mtn I rode once, but it is going to lift skis in the groomed corners.
I still vote for the Stock FXNytro, with all the great clicker shocks, and toss a 136 or 144 1.5" on there. Just my 2 cents, but I don't think yamaha made a sled for you this year in the Nytro chassis, so you are going to have to make your own. I think if you do lots of trail riding, you are going to regret the 153, not to mention the gearing is not going to be extremely trail friendly for mile after mile of groomed trail.
One last question, are you gauranteed snow where you are? Mountain guys are almost gauranteed powder snow to ride in. If you are not going to be in soft and deep conditions 80% of the time, I would cast another vote for a modified short tracker...................
Let us know what you decide,
Steve
I still vote for the Stock FXNytro, with all the great clicker shocks, and toss a 136 or 144 1.5" on there. Just my 2 cents, but I don't think yamaha made a sled for you this year in the Nytro chassis, so you are going to have to make your own. I think if you do lots of trail riding, you are going to regret the 153, not to mention the gearing is not going to be extremely trail friendly for mile after mile of groomed trail.
One last question, are you gauranteed snow where you are? Mountain guys are almost gauranteed powder snow to ride in. If you are not going to be in soft and deep conditions 80% of the time, I would cast another vote for a modified short tracker...................
Let us know what you decide,
Steve
Mac
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Steve I think you are correct in assessing my concerns. All along I have been trying to find reasons to make this MTX work. The off trail deep stuff is calling my name but our group is all Apex RTX 121. My crew is not going to hang around and watch me to play off trail. Quebec does get deep snow for boondocking with plenty of hill climbs and off trail areas we don't dare go with our short tracks 121's. We are hammering down the trails in Quebec like a freight train 6 to 8 guys 200 miles a day. I'm trying to find a way to slow down considering I'm a speed FREEK pushing sometimes pulling the train at speeds that will one day get one of us killed. We almost slammed a groomer on our last trip and everyone of us ran off trail with one guy dinging off the groomers plow. Heres a pic of the groomer guy and a pic of a trashed Apex RTX with 136 miles.
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The nytro MTX will work great as a trail sled. keep snow on the Hyfax and you have nothing to worry about!
Mac that guy had to be sore for a awhile.
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JUST DO IT
Hey bud. Been reading your thread and would like to say I have been ridin the 03 rx1 mtn with my boys for two years. When I got the sled they all had 121'' now half have longtracks and we roll mostly trails in da U.P.
I stilll blew these guys away in the trails unless they were exremely tight like some wisconsin trails ....I could always hang with them it was just more exhausting on the one ton but if need be I put my 270 pounds into it and smoked them.
The hyfax would go quick on dry surfaces but overall they did okay...just kept an eye on them.
I am gettin the nytro fx mtx it seems to me that it would be the perfrct crossover sled. Most of these guys in your thread would agree.
Take it from someone who is a true crossover rider, not just a mountain rider.
53'' in da U.P. in the last 4 days.
im outie
john
Mac said:
Hey bud. Been reading your thread and would like to say I have been ridin the 03 rx1 mtn with my boys for two years. When I got the sled they all had 121'' now half have longtracks and we roll mostly trails in da U.P.
I stilll blew these guys away in the trails unless they were exremely tight like some wisconsin trails ....I could always hang with them it was just more exhausting on the one ton but if need be I put my 270 pounds into it and smoked them.
The hyfax would go quick on dry surfaces but overall they did okay...just kept an eye on them.
I am gettin the nytro fx mtx it seems to me that it would be the perfrct crossover sled. Most of these guys in your thread would agree.
Take it from someone who is a true crossover rider, not just a mountain rider.
53'' in da U.P. in the last 4 days.
im outie
john
Mac
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I'm all in! Placed my order last night for the spring surge Nytro MTX. Thanks everyone for helping me decide to go mountain. I went to the last and final consumer show in Allentown PA on Sunday the 15th and all I can say is this is one very cool sled. This is going to be a long hot summer!
Jiggy
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Mac,
Glad to hear you went all in. I actually drove 5hrs from Harrisburg, PA to western NY to see the sled because I did not want to wait till the last possible day to make a decision like you did.
I have been riding the deep snow out west for several years now and I along with a buddie decided to get mtn sleds to ride in QC and everywhere this winter just as you have.
In my experience there are some drawbacks to riding a mtn sled on the trail, but the fun you can have off trail more than makes up for it.
I sent you a pm, so check your messages. Sounds like you are from PA or a nearby state, so perhaps we can seek out some of the deep stuff together.
Glad to hear you went all in. I actually drove 5hrs from Harrisburg, PA to western NY to see the sled because I did not want to wait till the last possible day to make a decision like you did.
I have been riding the deep snow out west for several years now and I along with a buddie decided to get mtn sleds to ride in QC and everywhere this winter just as you have.
In my experience there are some drawbacks to riding a mtn sled on the trail, but the fun you can have off trail more than makes up for it.
I sent you a pm, so check your messages. Sounds like you are from PA or a nearby state, so perhaps we can seek out some of the deep stuff together.
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I think he's from Quebec
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Mac, if the tip up rails are similar to the Apex Mtn, '05 RX-1 mtn and Polaris' rails on the switchback and RMKs'; they will angle up right after the rear scissor basically making the footprint on hard pack and groomed trail verry comparable to their 121" tracked counterparts. The overall track length will determine how long the tip up is.
As for adding a bunch of wheels; I wouldn't. Instead of that; buy a set of Holtz ice scratchers to use while riding trails (hook over the rail when off trail) and remove all idler wheels bolted to the slide rails except (of course) the wheels on the rear axle and the drivers on the drive shaft.
I run a 162" by 2" track on my '03 Super Charged RX-1 mtn this way. My hayfax still has 1/4" of wear left after over 2000 miles (about 30% trail riding). Removing the wheels allows the track to contact your rails with equal pressure along the whole length. Thus, reducing rapid hayfax wear; where there isn't any wheels.
Jim
As for adding a bunch of wheels; I wouldn't. Instead of that; buy a set of Holtz ice scratchers to use while riding trails (hook over the rail when off trail) and remove all idler wheels bolted to the slide rails except (of course) the wheels on the rear axle and the drivers on the drive shaft.
I run a 162" by 2" track on my '03 Super Charged RX-1 mtn this way. My hayfax still has 1/4" of wear left after over 2000 miles (about 30% trail riding). Removing the wheels allows the track to contact your rails with equal pressure along the whole length. Thus, reducing rapid hayfax wear; where there isn't any wheels.
Jim
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BlgsRX-1mtn - I believe the canted rails should make this 153" track feel much shorter than it really is on hardpack trails. Lets not get carried away thinking it will feel like a 121 but halfway between 121 & 153. As for extra skid wheels I would like others who have skid trouble to comment. All the 121 Apex in our group has trouble burning down hyfax and overheating when the trails setup hard like concrete in the evenings or its very very cold. Yamaha sends all skids with (six) 5.125 wheels that reduce track friction. Some guys change to the 5.375 and report good results. I go straight for the 5.60 and this makes the skid run even cooler much cooler resulting in zero problems. I can't think of any trouble extra wheels could create other than an extra 3-5 lbs. or so. I'm planning scratchers as well. BlgsRX-1mtn I once made the mistake of tring the concept of removing the six wheels to reduce weight and thought they were not necessary. Can I report instant hyfax burndown. Didn't get more than 20 miles = complete disaster.
Jiggy
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I'm looking at the same issues as Mac on this one. Keep the posts with advise coming on this one. I know a buddy from Bozeman that has a Polaris who also took all his wheels off, but he does'nt ride hardly any trails.
I will be probably be 50% on trails and 50% off trail. So, wheels or no wheels? Cut the lugs down or not? Yea, ice scratchers for sure.
How about the clutch and drivers, any advise hear? An additional thing I have to keep in mind is I will probably ride mostly 0-3000ft, but will most likely make a trip a year to the Rocky Mts so I will want to make switching back and forth my setup as easy as possible.
All comments on the topics discussed so far are greatly appreciated.
jig
I will be probably be 50% on trails and 50% off trail. So, wheels or no wheels? Cut the lugs down or not? Yea, ice scratchers for sure.
How about the clutch and drivers, any advise hear? An additional thing I have to keep in mind is I will probably ride mostly 0-3000ft, but will most likely make a trip a year to the Rocky Mts so I will want to make switching back and forth my setup as easy as possible.
All comments on the topics discussed so far are greatly appreciated.
jig
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The Nytro Mountain is made to rider standing up in powder it flicks over with ease however that makes it less than forgiving on hard trails( read poor cornering ability)
The tall lug track is less than ideal, your speed will be way down and if you push it to run with your friends on flat cornering short track sleds you will be much closer to out of control than they are.
We ride exclusively in the Mountains but have flatlander friends come up here with the cross over sleds 136 and 144 by 1.25 to 1.5" tracks doing just fine in the powder and totally kick butt trailing in and out to the riding areas.
So with as much trail as you ride I would go with a 144 by 1.25" , the wide front end does wonders cornering the stiffer lugs hold well on a firm trail.
Deep snow performance is surprisingly good.
They call these sleds cross overs because they do a great job all around.
The Polaris switch back with the 144" by 1.25" track was probably the best all around set up, to bad it didn't catch on it worked so well.
The tall lug track is less than ideal, your speed will be way down and if you push it to run with your friends on flat cornering short track sleds you will be much closer to out of control than they are.
We ride exclusively in the Mountains but have flatlander friends come up here with the cross over sleds 136 and 144 by 1.25 to 1.5" tracks doing just fine in the powder and totally kick butt trailing in and out to the riding areas.
So with as much trail as you ride I would go with a 144 by 1.25" , the wide front end does wonders cornering the stiffer lugs hold well on a firm trail.
Deep snow performance is surprisingly good.
They call these sleds cross overs because they do a great job all around.
The Polaris switch back with the 144" by 1.25" track was probably the best all around set up, to bad it didn't catch on it worked so well.
