nytro or apex-vector

[Super Sled]

I'd have her test drive one and see which she likes better -- The Nytro or the Apex.

 

[nytroD]

if you do the hygear setup with at least the springs you will have the best possable handleing and steering effort for under $500. i wish it was the first thing i did to my sled and not the last.regardless of the mods you do, the yamahas take the most steering effort of the big 4.

 

[mcamzr]

My answer to your question is a big no! If she loves the ride style of the FX Nytro than there is no way I would think she would be happy with a traditional style sled. When I was looking to replace my ZR cat I wanted a Yamaha in the worst way but one ride on my buddy's rev and that fit my style and I was in. When the Nytro came out I couldn't get rid of my doo fast enough. And keep in mind I payed for the sled twice with as many times as I rebuil the motor but I wasn't giving up the stand up style sled and my back thanked me.

 

[michael432]

thats what she is thinking. sounds like skis and shocks would do the trick

 

[sleddingfarmer]

I would do shocks first. Once the shocks are valved well, the stock skis with maybe some Shaper carbides might be the ticket. Would be the cheapest way to go, and probably keep the steering effort as low as possible.

 

[mcamzr]

Sleddingfarmer, I have a question for you that fits this topic. In regards to having the shocks done. How big of a difference did that make on the sled for a standup aggressive flatland rider? Or what do you think about the fox evil kit for the floats that some TY members have done? Also do you think one way is better than the other for say when my wife rides the sled?

 

[NFLD-Nytro]

Sleddingfarmer, I have a question for you that fits this topic. In regards to having the shocks done. How big of a difference did that make on the sled for a standup aggressive flatland rider? Or what do you think about the fox evil kit for the floats that some TY members have done? Also do you think one way is better than the other for say when my wife rides the sled?

Here's a better question. What is he having done when he says "have the shocks done"? Making them stiffer, softer, more rebound, less? It's silly to say "get your shocks done" with no indication of what's actually getting done.

There's alot of different things you can do with shocks, changing the size and combination of washers and viscosity of oil, and while you might make the ride somewhat better, you can certainly make it worse as well.

The first year of the Apex RTX there was a very good argument for getting the shocks revalved, but since then I just don't see it. Not to say I couldn't be convinced, but the last thing I would do is send off my shocks to someone saying "do them".

 

[sleddingfarmer]

When I say get the shocks "done" I'm talking about having a pro valve them for your weight/riding style. From the factory the fx nytro has a very flat rate valve stack. It seems very stiff, and keeps the sled sitting high in its travel. It rides really rough in the small stutter bumps, and takes the larger bumps fairly well, but does blow through its travel easier than I thought it should...considering how stiff it rode in the small bumps.

Have the guy who valves your shock put some progressive valving in them. make it ride a little softer in the small bumps, and progressively get stiffer for the large hits. You shouldn't have to explain this to a guy who is a real professional, he'll know exactly what to do. Tell him your weight, and that you are an aggressive trail riding, maybe you do a little jumping and stuff. Whatever you want to tell him.

It made a huge difference when I did this to my nytro. It rode nice and smooth through the small bumps, but still took the big hits like a champ. But the biggest improvement I thought was in the cornering...it actually cornered now.

I tinkered with the nytro for two full years before I gave up. I had it working pretty well, but it was still a bear to run through the woods hard trying to keep up with the lighter sleds. The beginning of the 3rd year I had the rear shocks "done" and never touched anything. Installed the shocks and my brother ran it all year. It was a whole new sled...that actually worked.

I wouldn't own a set of Fox Float shocks unless they were at least the X models, or the Evols. The X shocks are really nice, and work great. I imagine the Evols work even better. So I do suggest getting Fox Float X or Evols, however you decide to do it.

My brother had a 2006 nytro RTX, it had the same junk shock valving as the fx nytro rtx has. Yamaha doesn't know how to valve shocks. Even the old SX-R sleds rode like crap, but once the shocks were valved they rode decent. But there is a reason my SX-R 700 has a extra-10 suspension in it.

I don't do my own shock work, I'm no professional, but I have spent a lot of money on shocks.

 

[AKrider]

If you want to make the steering lighter, you need to take weight off the skis using the limiter straps. You can also reduce preload on the front shocks. I don't know what skis you are using, but the stock Yamaha skis are light turning skis compared to aftermarket, particularly if they have the shallow keel like the ones that came stock on the regular Nytro, not the RTX. Finally, the OFT steering post relocator will put the bars in a more natural position and give her more mechanical advantage to turn the skis.

If she likes the Nytro, I can't see her liking the older style Deltabox chassis.

 

[nytroD]

432s nytro doesnt have the fox floats.with gytr shocks i would recomend Hygear TR springs. they lower the front end about 11/2". i'm sure a revalve on a RTX with floats would involve lowering the ride height.hey Farmer, are you happy with the new ride?

 

[sleddingfarmer]

432s nytro doesnt have the fox floats.with gytr shocks i would recomend Hygear TR springs. they lower the front end about 11/2". i'm sure a revalve on a RTX with floats would involve lowering the ride height.hey Farmer, are you happy with the new ride?

Yeah, my nytro did sit a little lower, which helped a lot with the handling.

I love my XRS, no complaints.