Nytro S.E. over promised, under delivered?

Alatalo said:
Newfiebullet said:
Not a factory race sled, but a race replica would be cool. i.e. a race chassis with lights, and handwarmers.

The only sled that's come close to that recently is the Polaris IQ RR, and that was a one year wonder.

I don't know about the SE, but looking at my XTX I KNOW it won't stand up to the pounding the chassis of my Dragon did, just judging from the diameters of the shocks, the beefiness of the suspension, and the way it's put together. And even the Dragon was pretty tired after two years.
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And just look at what happened to the IQ RR. On the forums over here you can find hundreds of threads about the overly stiff suspension calibration and probably about another hundred about the lack of odometer (Joe Average does not know when to service and Joe Lowerige probably does not even know when to refill oil because of the lack of odometer...). Simply, people do not buy these sleds because they need them or because they are snocross riders. People buy these sleds because they want to be, or more specific, want to look like snocross riders. That is what Yamaha realized when they offered the SE...

I agree on your thoughts about the XTX because that is basically the main reason I went for the SE. I will be very surprised if the swingarms and rails of the XTX last a full season for rough trail riders...
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Hey, I agree with you. But the problem was not in what Polaris offeres, it was in people not being honest with themselves about what the need in a sled. I really really wanted an RR, and if I had not just bought an 07 I likely would've bought an RR in 08, there was just a couple of things I didn't like. The lack of odometer sucked (not because of anything to do with servicing, but because I like to know how many miles I can get to a tank and how far I've gone in a day) and the small gas tank would be very limiting around here. Then there was the lack of CFI. Basically what I wanted was a real sno-x chassis with real trailability.

This year I'm just hoping that I'll be able to slow down in the rough stuff and not tear the #*$&@ out of the suspension on the XTX. I guess I'm at a point in my life where I'm willing to trade bumpability for reliability. I would've looked at the SE as well, but buying a Yamaha was a spur of the moment decision so the SE wasn't an option for me.
 
I had an RR last year, and it was not stiff compared to my 05,06,07 Rev's. With the exception of the 8.8 gal tank, it was the nicest best cornering sled I have ever owned......till it caught on fire.
 
How's it catch fire? Fuel leak? That's the first RR i've heard of catching on fire.
 
I think the biggest reason for the low sales on the RR was due to it being a $10,000 carbureted 600. Had they sold it as an 800 they would have done better. Had I wanted a 2-stroke, the RR would have been my top choice.
 
AKrider said:
I think the biggest reason for the low sales on the RR was due to it being a $10,000 carbureted 600. Had they sold it as an 800 they would have done better. Had I wanted a 2-stroke, the RR would have been my top choice.
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That's exactly why. Especially when you could have gotten a dragon, and gotten a lot more bang for the buck.
 
I am not concerned. I think the SE was the right sled for me. I put an expert X in my Viper and was ready to put on in the Apex RTX till I sold it. I loved the front on the Apex with the floats. The type of riding I do the hand warmer problem really does not apply unless you have freshly groomed trails at 7 AM and the temp is 10 degrees. (got frost bit a few years ago in a similar situation on the face, motocross helmet)I usually wear motocross gloves from all the pulling and turning I do. I think the SE will stand up to the pounding There is a big difference between that and the RTX of last year and this year. But, we will have to see. I think anyone that rides similar to me ( hard, try to get from point a to point be as quick as possible in the rough stuff ) will enjoy the sled. The problem is will I be ready to ride like that :exc:
 
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The se's have stronger torque arms, doubled rails, stronger rear sissor and the fox floats are very nice

Lots of snow at Petersville and 6 inches around Wasilla
 
Mark what are you talking about "the Fox Floats are very nice"? How many miles did we put on the floats before we installed the Ohlins on the sleds last year? I would guess you will put a total of just over 0 miles on floats again this year. We knew with in the first 20 miles of our first ride on Fox Floats that they were NOT going to make it.
The stock Fox floats are inconsistant! While they are able to take the big hits they either ride to low to be subtle in the in the medium to small bumps and then they too soft to rail around corners. To get great cornering one has to make the small bump ride too harsh IMO.


As for the SE I'm sure the improvements will make it an even better sled than the 08 FX Nytros.
I don't know if I agree with the SE being over promised and under delivered! I'm sure there will be many happy campers again this year!
 
I am going to hold off on going nuts over this form. We should be congratulating those that bought the SE model and asking them how they like it. I am not going to "RIP" on the guy that bought a 11,000 sled. Yamaha Went the extra mile to build a sled that is like no other. Some of the replys are 100% right like the Fact you will never ever get parts off a"Factory" built race sled, only God and the guys that built them sleds know whats in them. I have reason to belive some technolgy was applyed to the SE. Front arm in the rear skid is a problem only if it brakes, so why does everyone need A HD arm?
Last year guys complained the nytro rides rough to stiff, some say to soft. Yamaha does not have custom Taylors to come to every house and dial in every sled, it's us as riders to find a shock guy to help you out with our custom taylor needs.
Some this Lets not tear the guys up that just bought the sled. Lets see how they ride and perform. before we tear into it with a chain saw.
Thank you.
Steve
 
Can anyone post pics of the updated rear scissor arm and the front arm?

As far as "race replica" sleds go, the RR was more true to the concept the SE in my opinion. I hope I'm not taken as bashing on the SE because that is not my intention. I just wondered if anyone had the same thoughts and perceptions of a race replica sled as me?
 
AKrider said:
Can anyone post pics of the updated rear scissor arm and the front arm?

As far as "race replica" sleds go, the RR was more true to the concept the SE in my opinion. I hope I'm not taken as bashing on the SE because that is not my intention. I just wondered if anyone had the same thoughts and perceptions of a race replica sled as me?
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I doo. Agree 100%.
 
Insurance never figured out why it caught fire, it was a total write off. The sled rocked. It was fast, cornered awesome and would walk all over a 600 Dragon in our group. The two things that sucked about it was it was $12K Canadian, and the small gas tank. I have an S.E. coming and it is nowhere near Steve Taylors open snowcross sled that I sat on and looked at a local snowcross. It had a different tunnel, rails, rear skid, front end and a stroker motor, so I knew I wasn't getting Yamaha's "race replica" Were comparing apples to oranges if you think we are buying "his" race sled and to be honest, I wouldn't want it.
 
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Please take the time to update your location in your profile, site rules.

Thanks!
 
I don't think anyone thought the SE was a true race sled or that it was an exact copy of the snocross sled. But it was marketed as a replica and by definition replica means copy or reproduction. The SE was further off the mark than say the Polaris RR which was also a "race replica".

I am surprised that the snocross sled differers so much from the production version. Being that it is raced in open class I can understand why but don't say your offering one thing and then deliver another. I think it is unfortunate that sled OEM's continue to play the bait and switch game when it comes to "race replica" sleds.

Seems to me it would be much easier for the factories to just produce a race sled that was available to everyone right off the dealer floor. Only give it a 30 day warranty, lower the price accordingly and watch the money flow in. It would be no different than going out and buying a YZ motocross bike off the dealer floor. Offer the race sled as bare minimum, trail ready/legal and let racers tweak it to their liking. A standard production sled based off the production race sled could be offered with a full warranty and all the creature comforts and features that people are accustomed to. I'm picturing selling a ditch banger/bump sled in the same manner they do as dirt bikes. The enduro/trail versions of the MX bike are usually a year or two behind development wise and if that was applied to sleds, I think we'd have far less issues with first year sled teething problems.
 
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